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Unread 03-09-2010, 02:11 PM   #1
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Cool [BUILD] 1951 Mercury Custom - Project Old School

For those who don't know, I own a 1951 Mercury custom. This car is a full-on 50's era custom. Some of the styling aspects of a custom car like this include:

--Chopping the roof
--De-chroming the body, which includes shaving the door handles
--Rounding the hood corners, and doors
--Removal of stock taillights, swapping in ones from other makes and models
--Drastic lowering of the car, anywhere from a 3 inch drop to as much as 6 inches
--Custom paint jobs

My car was customized in South Carolina 25 or so years ago. It's original look is what I would call a street rod... Red with yellow flames, tweed interior, frenched '59 Cadillac taillights.

My vision was to redo the car in the style a very early 50's custom. So the car will look like a custom done before 1956.

Here is a very early Mercury custom, one of the first two, the Jerry Quesnel '49 Mercury, still in primer, next to a stock one:



Same car in paint (also has shaved drip rails):


Wally Welch Mercury, another first 10 custom:


Most famous early Merc, the Bob Hirohata '51 Merc:


As found in 1959, before being restored in the late 90's:


Restored:


Restoring the body has taken a long time, so I'll post a quick bunch of past/current/future plan pics.. It will be in final paint by 3.25-4.1, it's in final primer now.











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Photoshop renderings by professional hot rod historian (Rik Hoving):







Jesse Jame's 1951 Mercury Custom:



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pretty awesome, can't wait to see the finished product, i love me some old led sleds
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While not a fan of the lead sleads myself I can appreciate all the hard work and how far the car has come. What's really cool is that you never see those on the streets so you'll really have one of a kind.
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That's badass, I love the old sled style hot rods. There is a guy who daily drives one during the summer back home. What kind of powertrain are you going with.
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Always loved those cars, when I was a kid a neighbor built quite a few of them. Do you have a Stallone "Cobra" movie poster yet?

Now pencil off a week in June and do the Hotrod Power Tour with us. Starts in Iowa, ends in Alabama.
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very nice! not a huge fan of the red, but i like the black, and the blue of jesse james. buddy of mine just picked up a 54 merc with the car in primer and some little things done to it like the frenched headlights.
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I was originally going to do black, but then I decided to research very dark blues. My plan is to do a blue darker than Jesse's car, it's call Lyons Blue. I did get referred another color to check out, some mid 50's Porsche color. Basically I want it to look blue at high noon, and black at midnight.

I might end up doing the same wheel treatment as Jesse's car to get by at the start, since my hubcap's might need modification to attach to my wheels. His car is running what are known as Spider caps with a trim ring.

One cool aspect of his car and other newer customs are flush-fit skirts, but they take a lot of work. I'll be running the same skirts I had before.

My plan is a tail dragger stance. so the back of the car would be a bit lower than the front, radial white wall tires, and eventually a set of 1955 Studebaker hubcaps in front.

I have a few possibilities for the front grill, but I want to wait on that.

Car is currently powered by a crate SBC and the power is transferred via a TH350 transmission with an automatic valve body. My long term plan is a carbed LS' with a 700R4.
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John, go check out the 2010 Camaro "Impulse Blue Metallic". It is nearly black, has a nice blue flake in it that is subtle. Blue in daylight, black in the evening.
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Love the old Mercs. Can't wait to see the finished car, sounds like it will be cool.
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Thanks guys. I also like the wheels that are on Cadzilla, if you have ever seen those. They look like custom wheels inspired by 50's Caddy Sombrero style hubcaps.
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John, Honda had a color called Midnight Blue Metallic on some 98-02 Accords and 03+ Accords. It's a blue/black color shift paint that you want. But under certain night lighting it will look like NBM on 98-02 f-bodies and most of the time it's black as night. Really cool color.
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I'll mention the colors to my body shop guy. My top color has very little metallic in it.
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So what color shoes are you going to wear while driving... Blue Suede, or stark bright white?
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Thanks guys. I also like the wheels that are on Cadzilla, if you have ever seen those. They look like custom wheels inspired by 50's Caddy Sombrero style hubcaps.
Cadzilla was an amazing car. Especially when you compare the finished car to the original. The wheels were really cool.
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Yeah I believe the wheels were made by Boyd Coddington, not sure if they were one-offs... But they are inspired by 48-52 Caddy hubcaps:

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I also decided to start building a carbed LS1 for the car. So I'm going to assemble the parts, get an engine stand and start piecing it together.
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John, I'm 99.9% sure the Cadzilla wheels were billet. The center cap which was a little bigger than the dark area you see in the pictures, came off to get to the lugnuts.I've seen the car in person a couple times. It's a piece of art work.
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I bought a great set of 1955 Studebaker hubcaps to mod to work on my rims, they look like this though I don't plan to run custom spinners in the center:

(Car done in 1952-1954)
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really can't wait to see the end product!
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Right now the plan is final paint on March 27th.
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Right now the plan is final paint on March 27th.
Thats the same day my wife moves us to our new house. Good day for us both. Can't wait to see the car, sounds like it will be really nice.
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so were are the pics at?
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I think he meant March 27th 2011.
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Looks like this weekend for paint. We had to address a mis-communication and that burned some time to correct.
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Yeah but I'm going over this afternoon to look at a test panel to make sure the color we selected works. I had also pointed out 3-4 little things on the car that should be fixed now.
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Pinch me I must be dreaming:

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Yay for progress happening. Can't tell what color that is, must be phone pics.
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Dark dark dark blue....
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Where is the DeSoto Grill man... Cant have a 49-51 Merc without a DeSoto Grill

I have to dig up (or take) some of my fathers 50'. I think I have chatted with you about it before.

Good work man. I love me a lead Sled, What powers her?
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350 SBC crate engine, supposedly very low miles, and a TH350 automatic valve body.

I had a '55 Desoto grille and sold it, I'm going to do something a little older and more custom.
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Should I start calling you Cobra?
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I'm not going for the Cobra look though I like that car... I'm going for what I refer to as the "elegant gangster" look.
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I'm not going for the Cobra look though I like that car... I'm going for what I refer to as the "elegant gangster" look.
I just had to throw it out there since I was watching the movie a few days ago .
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John, Honda had a color called Midnight Blue Metallic on some 98-02 Accords and 03+ Accords. It's a blue/black color shift paint that you want. But under certain night lighting it will look like NBM on 98-02 f-bodies and most of the time it's black as night. Really cool color.
I think that is the color we painted my F-350. It's base black with purple and blue pearl in it. We pulled the purple pearl out and replaced those grams with more of the blue pearl.
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No pearl in my paint, it would not be correct for a 1951-1955 era custom.
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Update. I'm loaded up with the glass, seats, and trim for the Mercury, and am dropping it all off this afternoon. I'll snap new pics.

The car I think all buffed now and should be all together. Can't wait!
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Same is posted on hamb:

Matt we are not 100% sure on the seals yet for the side window, but to answer your other question, all of the side windows have that lip that you were talking about...

Major progress:







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Those wheels and tires are pretty awful. I'd go billet, and larger.
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Car will be getting wide white wall tires, and body colored 15x7 steel rims. Big billet or forged wheels won't fit the period custom look of the car. I could get another set of rims and tires and mess with, the rims on Cadzilla are very cool, I believe Boyd based them on a set of 1949 Cadillac "sombrero" hubcaps...

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Trying to keep it all 50's style, or modern like Cadzilla? I like the modern touches on old themes.
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This car is one of my influences, the Bettancourt Mercury, one of the first 10 Mercury's that were customized:





I bought a set of the same hubcaps, they are 1954-1955 Studebaker hubbies, but they need work. I don't plan to run them until I have a set restored or try restoring them myself (ya right).
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I think these would give it a nice touch... and hell your a dealer .

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Those have crossed my mind a few times, to be honest.
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crager has a rat rod type wheel out now
http://www.cragar.com/ProductView.as...0&bq=%3fc%3d15

but i think the billet specialties would look killer
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Centerline has a similar wheel to the B/S, called the California smoothie:

Just to get an idea:

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Progress (phone pic by body guy):

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The California Smoothie looks ok on that 350. Not really digging the look on the truck. However I still think it will be a great match for Merc.
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I'm doing some Diamondback custom white wall tires for Mercula, 215-75-15's most likely.
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Is this paint shop assembling your car for you too?

Lazy bum.
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Just about ready for picking up:





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Holy crap John....you are going to need to build scaffolding just to wash that thing! There's enough metal in there to make 9 modern cars
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Yup, it's a long car:

Length 206.8 in | 5253 mm.
Wheelbase 118.0 in | 2997 mm.

2002 Camaro:

Wheelbase 101.1 in (2,568 mm)
Length 2000–02: 193.5 in (4,915 mm)
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Centerline has a similar wheel to the B/S, called the California smoothie:

Just to get an idea:

Do these.
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I'm going to be tempted to run I think two sets of wheels.
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That would be a good idea. One set of traditional style, one set of billet customs. I can get you these pretty cheaply:

http://introwheels.com/index.php/com...-smoothie.html

I kinda like these too:

http://introwheels.com/index.php/com...-saltster.html
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Hmm interesting. I'll have a better feel once I take some more pics and have some road time in the car.
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Someone on the HAMB posted this pic, it's from the movie Iron Man II, the chopped merc is a well-known early custom that is owned by Bruce Meyer and is on long term loan to the Peterson Museum:

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Finally getting the glass into the car, nothing like having bad winters to work around.... I might just run spider caps and trim rings for now. Exterior wise other than glass I have to have the floating grille made/welded/chromed.







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Wow nice, good to see it outside, can't believe that's blue.

Didn't know you had Larry's shop doing the work.
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That looks badass out in the sunlight!
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What a cool car! Gonna grow out that pompadour haircut and roll some cigs up in your white t-shirt sleeve? Body looks slick, nice work.
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Agree with Tony, nice body work. Very smooth
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Check out this original pic of the car, with a guy 'shopped into the passenger seat.

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paint work looks excellent.
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I like them old sleds. Im partial to the bullet grill in those. What are you going to run for a grill? ( Maybe you already posted about this I didnt read it all )
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I have all the parts to have a "floating" grille fabbed up... All 1951 Ford grille parts. Here is the Sam Barris 1949 Merc, one of the first three ever chopped way back in '50:

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BEFORE:


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Looks amazing, I love it.
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I had made a deal with my wife, that I would not buy any other cars while the Merc was at a shop. Now it's home, I can start buying something sporty for a daily driver.
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I suggest you buy a shop, then that deal can never exist again. Shop = home
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Totally, I'd love a big ol' shop for sure.
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Totally, I'd love a big ol' shop for sure.
Come see my shop next time your in T.O.

This is my fifth one so Im getting better at setting them up now. Its still got a long way to go and I need more secure vehicle storage BADLY then Im going to increase the fleet size again hehehe. But I have a plan and Im working towards it so... In other news I Almost bought an LS1 swap air bagged 72 GMC pick up yesterday. Bitchin truck
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John, why is there only a chrome trim around that side window? Looks odd, unless all windows will eventually have that same trim. Better yet, maybe go with black trim?
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Good eye, actually most of the window chrome is missing on the car. I will be putting some on the windshield, and the door one stuff will go in once I'm ready. The doors don't actually have any glass mounted yet.

The rear window is another story. I have stainless for it, but won't be able to mount it until I have a rear glass shaved down a bit as the glass fits real tight.
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Rear window will eventually look like this:

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You going to put the bullet/spider center caps on those wheels?
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Yep, exactly. They are not period correct but as you know but they cool and hide the ugly lugs and dust cap pretty good.
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I guess the car came out a little gangster... I'm still not done, needs a grille, door glass, an interior...

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Sweet I dig it man. If I make it back to Chi town I wanna ride in that baddass bitch. Thats ballz deep representin the life dude

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Yeah. Seriously looking good.
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making good progress. When do you think it will be done, or at least mostly done to the point where you'll start driving it?
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I have been driving it every weekend until I got super hot out. I don't have door panels but it has seats and most of the glass. I've been replacing hoses, the stat, fuel line but now I need to have a buddy bend me a custom fan shroud, and go back to a mechanical fan.

I've got the interior window moldings to go over, and then have my friend paint so I can put those in.
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why a mechanical fan? alternator capacity?
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When I got the car it had a 4 blade mechanical fan, no shroud. It ran hot.

I had my buddy swap in an 16" electric puller fan while it was over at his joint for paint. But in the 90F plus heat we've had, it can't keep up. It's not that simple, as I also have open areas next to and under my radiator... so there are two related issues... As it's tight in there my options with electric fans are limited.

So what might happen is this:

-New shroud, mechanical 5-7 blade fan, current radiator has side openings blocked off
-New shroud, mechanical 6-7 blade fan, new rad.
-Same as #2, only I also move the a new radiator forward a few inches, remove a/c, and then run either a mechanical fan or dual eletric fans.

I'm not sure how many amps my alternator puts out, I see 16 I think on my gauge.





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Just a quick update, the car runs really great now.

Ended up replacing the carburetor, cap, plug wires, thermostat and some houses, and the car now runs really smooth.

It's running a big cam, specs unknown. But it I'm only getting 10 inches of vacuum, anyone know how big of a cam might cause that? Now the car will run at 180-190F on the highway, and 190-200F in heavy traffic.

I'll be working on interior and exterior cosmetics right now, but also amassing LS swap parts for a 2012 redo of the driveline. I'm leaning towards a budget build 5.3 since there's a lot of interest in swaps like that. Whether it it's carbed or efi I don't know yet, but I might stay carbed just to try it.
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Do an LY6. Its a little more coin up front but even stock will outperform a modded 5.3 and thats a big tank to get rolling. You can get LY6's for about a grand complete if you shop around.
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lol @ "how big of a cam = how much vacuum" question.

A basic mild cammed 5.3 liter with a pair of Cherry Bombs would be fine for that car. Don't forget the flamethrower kit.
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If I could find an LY6 for a G I'd be all over it, I'd probably buy a few of them. I have to weigh the car since I'm getting a wide variety of answers on how much... as low as 3300 and as high as 4300.
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Saying "I like this car" doesn't begin to describe it! I'd LOVE to see this thing in person...and to think I'll prob be in Chicago over Labor Day weekend.


Anyway - have you seen the injected LS that Holley did, the one that looks very "retro"? The coil covers are just BEGGING for hand pin-striping and a molded air filter cover...

Here is that Holley engine:




That BG three deuce intake would look sweet too - or, an ITB setup.
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Hmm that looks very good. Those are the molded valve covers that they came out with.

If you are around Labor Day let me know I live by Wrigley Field.
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Hmm that looks very good. Those are the molded valve covers that they came out with.

If you are around Labor Day let me know I live by Wrigley Field.
Yeah, I REALLY like those coil covers. I have been trying to get in contact with Holley about some stuff and haven't had any luck...wanting to talk to them about some marine stuff - and if they make a tunnel ram to fit LS1/LS6 cathedral ports (it looks like they only have one for L92 style).


Anyway, if it happens - I will def. be in contact.

Mind shooting me a PM of some fun/touristy stuff to do in Chicago?

PS - I don't know if you already have a carb LS1 intake but my Performer RPM will be for sale shortly, if you're interested let me know.
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Saying "I like this car" doesn't begin to describe it! I'd LOVE to see this thing in person...and to think I'll prob be in Chicago over Labor Day weekend.


Anyway - have you seen the injected LS that Holley did, the one that looks very "retro"? The coil covers are just BEGGING for hand pin-striping and a molded air filter cover...

Here is that Holley engine:




That BG three deuce intake would look sweet too - or, an ITB setup.
That's a great looking retro setup!
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The Holley tunnel ram for cathedral port heads is not out yet, end of this year.
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A couple of weeks ago I had the exhaust chopped off of Mercula, as it was either 2.0 or 2.25 in diameter and one of the mufflers was messed up, one of the internal baffles had come loose probably as the result of a backfire when the car was running like crap. She's now very happy with 2.5 duals and Flowmaster 2 chambers that I dumped at the rear... sounds mean as f^^^.

Okay, so what rear is in this car? Mercula rolls on a GM frame, might be Olds, Pontiac... Some folks on YB say it's the BOP 8.2 10 bolt.

The reason I ask is that I want to source a rear swaybar for the car...





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B.O.P. 8.2-inch 10-boltThis axle would probably only turn up in a '67-'69 Firebird, but after all these years, who knows what swapping has gone on before you got there. It still has ten bolts in the cover, but note the two cutouts in the nine and three o'clock positions. The B.O.P. rear also uses flanged axle retention, rather than the C-clips used on the other two assemblies.

Read more: http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles...#ixzz1aV94fLZ0
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Its a BOP 10 bolt from an A-body. Fbody is incorrect as it would have leaf spring pads, yours has control arm mounts
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Interesting.... The overall length of the car makes folks think it's a frame from a bigger GM car but I forgot to mention that the frame has been extended in the back almost a foot.

YB thread: http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh...d.php?t=417799

So I know that some swappers would use the frame from a Malibu or a Lemans, and the four door ones were really close.

Anyone know the A body suspension stuff pretty good? I can't visualize how the rear swaybar would be bolted up...
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Looks like A body frame to me. Im quite familiar with the suspension. The sway bar mounts to the lower control arms only in a U shape. Aftermarket bars relocate to a more modern style with end links. You need control arms that were designed to accept the bar. F41 (Chevelle SS et al) suspension had a 7/8" rear sway bar factory. Aftermarket has lots of options. I have UMI control arms on mine with a 1" bar. Lots of folks make rear suspensions parts for the A body, most are similar until you spend big money.
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[IMG]www.novaresource.org/images/rears.jpg[/IMG]

A-Dub, are you saying I need an Impala SS type car, the flat U that has two holes in each LCA for the rear bar?

Like this rear?

http://http://www.suspensionconnecti...tion/to=r.html
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I can't get your links to open.

This is what I am talking about
http://www.bmrsuspension.com/?page=p...s&productid=68

May be best to start with the axle and confirm what it is out of. On my 12 bolt, there is a build number stamped on the passenger side axle tube, front side, near the pumpkin.

BOP 10 bolts ceased production in 71, so knowing its a coil spring rear end, it could only be A body or B body. A body was much much more common, but there are subtle differences in the control arms between the two even though they look similar.

Need to figure that out before you buy parts.
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Hmmm so those ones, the bolts go in horizontally. I'll look under the Merc and figure out of that works... and take measurements.
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A body had horizontal bolts. I believe B body had vertical, but I'm not 100% certain in 60s/70s. Keep in mind, if your donor frame was not originally equipped with a sway bar, the control arms won't have holes for it. Easiest solution is to buy aftermarket lowers or buy repop factory style (boxed) lowers that were designed to accept the bar.

Or you could buy a bar that doesnt go to the LCA. Ill see if I can find an example.
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Fabbing up a custom bar isn't too tough either. You could always do a frame mounted bar, and weld tabs to the axle for end links.
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Thanks guys.

I'll crawl up under Mercula and see if it looks like vertical or horizontal bolts would even work, and then measure width. Maybe Saturday afternoon.

I don't think my LCA's have mounting holes but I can swap them too.
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Why do you think it needs a rear bar to begin with? I dont see you doing much corner carving.....
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I just want to be cool like you, stop killing my dreams.

I'm in the process of polishing all of the visible stainless of my wing windows. My car didn't have anyone after it was chopped, I am adding them back:

Crappy chopping of the frames:


Local polishing stuff are miracle workers:
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Very nice. Much better!
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So I've been driving Mercula around on what I call my reliability runs. That's where I drive the car, while drinking a Chai Latte from Starbucks, on the highway or side streets or whatever suits my fancy.

I'm gonna ask the po po sometime to do up a mock pull over pic, but for now I'll just park near the police station near my house and snap a pic:



The two projects I will be working on with this car are the front grille and the door windows. I'll come back to the grille sometime later.

So I bought a set of stock vent wing windows from Bill Papke, and then had them cut down locally. I had the glass frame polished, pic above, came out great. I realized later based on research that I'd have to polish the stainless on the wing window frame too.

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Drilled out rivets, removed long u-channel section which I will replace with new:


How bad is the stainless?


So Tino @ Courtesy is excellent, and I know he'll take out all of the scratches and dings in these sections. Once I have these back, I need to pick up the glass tape adhesive and put the wing windows together. I still have to buy 3 or 4 items to finish the doors, which include:

-gaskets that go around the wing window/glass
-new vertical u channel; chop to size; rivet back in
-door window fuzzies to protect glass, I am unclear whether it goes on both sides or just the inside of the door frame (that's probably the case)
-their might be another gasket needed, I'm not sure... wing window frame to the big door glass?

I have all the door glass ready to go.

Here is what it looked like before, in the Ronald McDonald days, note that the front "wing window" is just a glued-in fixed piece of glass.
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Great scene with the cop cars. Even the road is has nice patina and the light is dialed. The car is sooooo freakin gangsta I totally dig it. Ive been rolling around in a bit of a gangsta car lately too I'll post a pic in another thread. Ghetto gangsta in my case cuz I gotta represent the Ghetto
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Thanks, the car is very gangsta so I'm very happy with how it's come out so far.

I just need some freaking power. I'd like to think that the car would run somewhere in the 14's as it sits, but I won't know until I make a pass in it just to find out.

I'm realizing as I switch back and forth from this to my 13.7 TBSS that I'd be happy with a mid 13 second cruiser... I'll just to have to weight it too, and see what I'm working with. I feel like another 100HP would make me happy.

I'm debating an LS + Maggie 1900 vs L92 with small cam.
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I'm like an instant show when I go to Starbucks:






Window progress:


Had to fix bad welding:




Will have to shorten some gaskets:



I have to run over to my polish guy and have him repolish the one corner, and I'm waiting for some parts and then I can finish the windows... Man, there are like 11 little steps to put this buggers together!
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Badass man.

I ditched that Galaxy it was too rough underneath too much mud.

But not to hijack im already thinking of my next build and could use all the input anyone would offer. I just want old, cool, different, and BADfukn ass. What I mean by that is old but a car cops STILL hate. In short I want a revenge car for all the goddamn stunt driving police, emission police, blah firckity blah after our ass all the time bastardos! So old I can rock without my seat belts ( cuz there aint any ) or emission stuff etc etc etc.

I always wanted to do a Pro Street 40 willys on a tube chassis but I didnt have 100K to blow on parts and a year or five to build it lol. If theres one thing I am is a finisher. I havent left a project undone yet. To the end or die trying LOL

But I wonder what other nasty old girls are sitting out there I cant even think to look for?


Anyways cool fukn car man. Id love to have it
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John, address that tweet interior stat. Get some black leather up in there.
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Badass man.

I ditched that Galaxy it was too rough underneath too much mud.

But not to hijack im already thinking of my next build and could use all the input anyone would offer. I just want old, cool, different, and BADfukn ass. What I mean by that is old but a car cops STILL hate. In short I want a revenge car for all the goddamn stunt driving police, emission police, blah firckity blah after our ass all the time bastardos! So old I can rock without my seat belts ( cuz there aint any ) or emission stuff etc etc etc.

I always wanted to do a Pro Street 40 willys on a tube chassis but I didnt have 100K to blow on parts and a year or five to build it lol. If theres one thing I am is a finisher. I havent left a project undone yet. To the end or die trying LOL

But I wonder what other nasty old girls are sitting out there I cant even think to look for?


Anyways cool fukn car man. Id love to have it
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38ish Caddy sounds good. Ive had a few 61/2/3 Caddy rag tops but too pimpin and not ballin enough lol.

What kind of mufflers you got on that thing John?
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The Merc has to have lake pipes, doesn't it?
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2 chamber flows dumped f'k lake pipes haha
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I was thinking cherry bombs for that brrrap a tat tat sound would be more sinister
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I hear ya but I'm that older guy who likes the punk kid sound of a cammin' Fox body with flows on it with a B or E303 cam.

Tony... Interior is something I have to decide on, white is more trad but I think it will wear fast. I like black m'self.
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Ha! Its been a while since Ive heard those terms thrown around. Im old too ( almost 40 now ) fak me....

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I'm running a SBC but my cam does sound kinda like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-U2p...eature=related

I like my cars to sound mean. When I go LS I might go blower so I'll have to have a very loud one.
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Yeah I like em angry too! Those old turds sounds like they are sick with the flu to me now that i am LSx spoiled. Even with lumpy cams they run so much better. My 6.2 sounds weird though. Good, but weird its definitely unique.

But a blower on that car? Nahhh man stay N/A those cars arent about speed. They're a lifestyle car that pretty much says GTFOOMWIIAC ( get the fuck out of my way Im important and cool )
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Actually it sounds more like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWyjD...eature=related

Dunno man, an LS2 with a TVS 1900 sounds like it will get this ol' car to scoot.
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I like that truck! Bad color but cool truck. TVS 1900? That things gonna fly. Think the suspension and brakes will be enough to handle that old girl at them speeds?
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Now I'm gonna have to do a before dyno at some point because I'm curious what it will do...

Suspension would be okay though I can picture me sliding through an intersection if I came in too hot haha.

My butto meter says high 14's as is but I could be pretty far off. I don't have enough converter or gear for this car to come out decent but once it's up around 2500-3500 I got some powwa.
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I agree with Cam, the Merc is about attitude, not all out speed.
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...everything is about speed - and the more of a "wolf in sheep's clothing" the better.
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...everything is about speed - and the more of a "wolf in sheep's clothing" the better.

LOL I wouldnt say "everything" is about speed. Theres another two things that are key. I think this tune sums it up pretty good. You have to listen to the words they tell a tale

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My local friend Intmd8, the tuner over at Speed Inc, is restomodding a '57 Caddillac right now so we are kicking ideas back and forth about engines. He's thinking really big cubed LS, I'm still wanting a blower for the sound.

I mocked up my wing windows, the frames will have to come out again when I rivet/screw on the vertical window channel. But the windows are looking more finished:





Very cloudy today, Horner Park by my house:
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With all that hood, twin front mounts seems like a no brainer!!!
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Turbos? I prefer strong NA or blower, turbo setups to me are too high maintenance and I'm only looking for < 600rwhp.
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There's a LOT of options. I'm assuming you want a driver, something you can just turn the key and go. So. A fuel injected LS with a dual quad carb-style intake would be a nice bet, for no reason other than it allows you to fab a really nice looking smooth motor that gives the nod back to the old days - a long, sleek "carb" style air cleaner assembly that matches the look of the long hood and such. Or if the budget allowed, a Kinsler ITB setup would certainly look cool, especially with some artistic work on air boxes. Decorative plenums on each side, married with a lexan "window" in the center for the linkage? Either would definitely would allow you the flexibility to stand out from the more typical "hose off the nose" style LS intake setups.

If you don't care about opening the hood, stick a choppy cammed LS-whatever in there with a Maggie and call it a day.
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There's a LOT of options. I'm assuming you want a driver, something you can just turn the key and go. So. A fuel injected LS with a dual quad carb-style intake would be a nice bet, for no reason other than it allows you to fab a really nice looking smooth motor that gives the nod back to the old days - a long, sleek "carb" style air cleaner assembly that matches the look of the long hood and such. Or if the budget allowed, a Kinsler ITB setup would certainly look cool, especially with some artistic work on air boxes. Decorative plenums on each side, married with a lexan "window" in the center for the linkage? Either would definitely would allow you the flexibility to stand out from the more typical "hose off the nose" style LS intake setups.

If you don't care about opening the hood, stick a choppy cammed LS-whatever in there with a Maggie and call it a day.
This man speaketh the truth! I think this is about the only type of build a carb LSx would play a higher hand than a fuelly. But if your gonna boost it id stick with injection all the way. Im still not sure boosted is the right sound for that bitch. She needs to complain and wail just like a cranky old gal would and blower wine? Is for younger gals.

I like the sounds of the dual carb with lumpity bumpity cam. Build cubes with some spintech race muffs. Ouchy I can feel the wonderful ear pain from you cruising by just thinking about it.

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My friend Jim (Intmd) for his '57 Caddy is talking big cubes + twin TB's and a custom fabbed batwing air cleaner.

My myself, I don't mind if the engine looks modern, but your the second person to suggest the Kinsler ITB and those are pretty awesome looking.

Right now I'm maybe rockin' 250-270rwhp (SBC + choppy cam + headers), so 500rwhp would be awesome and 400rwhp would be a minimum. The idea of a cogged 1:1 TVS whirring away like I've seen in some vids would make the car sound pretty sick in traffic.
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IMHO if you DO entertain the Kinsler, I would shy from the carbon fiber and jump to the aluminum option for the inlets. CF just wouldn't be "right" on a 50's car, for me anyway.

What's your current feel for transmission choice?
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How much rubber can you run in the back? 500 RWTQ and 195/70 R16 tires is a bit of a waste. Are there whitewalls with some decent traction available?
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4L80E I'm thinking....

I'm running Diamondback 215/75R15 white wall radials right now, I could have them make me a custom set of drag radials.
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Why not go for gold and run a 6L90e?
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That would be cool too, they seem to be pretty durable too.

I'm most leaning towards a blower + mild engine, I'd even consider running a D1SC.
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Had a good convo with my longtime friend INTMD8 over the weekend. The 6L90E is a very bulky trans so it might be too big for my trans tunnel. At some point I'll get my car on a lift and take some measurements. Does a TVS 1900 make similar power on a 5.3 vs. 5.7 LS?

Yay I got my wing window/ u-channel setups all bolted up/ riveted. But I can see this dang pinhole from a shop's crappy welding. Lesson to all, don't let shops use a mig welder on stainless trim, they burned right through on both sides. So I pulled the driver's side out so Jim can weld it for me and I'll head over to the polishing guys again. THEN I can finish the wing windows.

Waaahhhhh:


Farting around, my planned grille, the custom guys call it a floating grille:


Emulating the grille in the 1st or 2nd Merc ever chopped:


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Reminds me of this, but classier
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Is that Bill? Hello sir!

Imma check with a few friends today about doing the grille, we'll see how the talks go.
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LOL no John its Jim Morris from CTR or 1_bad_TA from Tech. I wish my shit moved out like his.
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Sup Jim, you should do an intro thread, I have no idea what your car runs.

Aight, so today I got up at 5:50AM rolled out early and got the driver's side wing window repolished. My buddy tig welded it up yesterday. I'm very happy as this concludes all the work to redo the crummy welding that someone else had done.

I'll be picking up some glass setting tape from a local contact and then this weekend I will finally finish putting together the wing windows.

I also showed my buddy my planned grille and he is going to think on how long he thinks it will take. I'd rather have him do it since he has higher standards than me, and most people.

I'm going to start doing real research on LS swaps for Mercula. On that note is there a big difference between the truck and car TVS 1900 kits?
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I rolled out for Toys for Tots, all the bikers were digging the car. Check out the Merculator parked next to a Parade Train built in 1949 on a truck chassis:

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that's a pretty cool photo. They did a nice job on the parade train. still looks in great shape.
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There is some info on this special vehicle at www.mytrain.com.

So I'm at the 70% mark with the car I think. I still need to have the front grille fabricated, still have to commission an interior, and at some point I want to swap the Merculator over to an LS power plant. That will probably come last as I will wait until we are well into 2012 and we have more ability to discuss the details of the swap.

I am in discussions with a guy to buy a part I need for the grille, and then I can move that project forward.

The last mechanical thing I need to fix is the turn signals, they stay on when clicked for a left turn. I believe I need to pull the steering wheel and swap out a module. I think I did this on a Chevelle in the early 90's and it was pretty straight-forward.
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Desoto grill please!
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Had one, sold it... cannot sir. I'm going for an older (and less common) look.
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I'm gonna use this spot again for black and white pics, makes it look like the pic was taken 40 years ago.

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Cool pic. Needs grille.
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I love fotoflexer!


Yeah I am in the process of acquiring one more part, and then I'll have everything I need for the grille.
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Yes it does. Looks great John!
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Lookin good. I think you should bag it...
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Bagging sometimes interests me but my next big project will be making all the decisions on the new power plant.
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I got to drive right up to New Years Eve, but then we got a little snow and they went nuts with the road salt.

Last shot of 2011, visited my buddy's body shop who painted the car:


The guy I used to cut down a set of wing windows did a crap job with the wing windows, so I pulled them out of the car (4 fasteners takes about 2 minutes), and sent them to my Mercury buddy Matt of Townsend Fabrication so he could do a new set for me. I hope he can re-use the glass I have.


Okay, so I'm starting to think about the LS swap for this car. I think a big unknown for me is the radiator setup. I'm going to have to research some aspects of LS vs a SBC. I'm wondering if a carbed LS was swapped in place of a SBC, what are the key differences in dimensions, front, rear, sides?
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The radiator is pretty simple. You can use your existing radiator if you like, just add puller fan(s). The only other necessary addition would be adding the steam vent port for the line from the heads - if your radiator has aluminum tanks that's super simple, just drill and tap. If it's steel or brass, brazing in a fitting is pretty straight forward too.

A new aluminum radiator that fits the physical layout of the front of that car will be easily adequate for cooling an LS motor. Certainly easier than cooling an old SBC.
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I'm thinking I would need to change the radiator since my inlet/outlet configuration might not work well with the LS water pump setup.
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Custom radiators are simple, any radiator shop can build what you need. I'd go aluminum, and as thick as you have space for. Put two e-fans on there somewhere, either pushing or pulling. I bent some copper tubing to mimic my hose shapes, then just went to the auto parts hose section (in the back usually) and just dug through what they had to find something similar, or something I could cut and modify.
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Yup I have been researching radiators. I guess what I'm saying is what are folks running for inlet/oulet configurations, both on the passenger side?
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Completely up to you. Most I've seen are traditional Chevy layout (low on the pass side, high on the driver side), some have both on the pass side. Pick whatever packages into your car better, taking into consideration any accouterments you'd want to work around.
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Ideally I'd source an existing application that had the inlet and outlet both on the passenger side. My current rad is not set up like that.


Someone shared this SBC vs LS engine dimension link with me, it's pretty neat:
http://paceperformance.com/p-3990-en...imensions.html

Which accessory setup is tighter to the front of the engine, Vette or F-Body or ??
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If that's what you want, the next step is simply to measure the dimensions and order a unit to fit. For hoses, you can use the craptastic flexy mess like in that photo, or do what Tony suggested - bend up a chunk of wire/pipe/whatever to the shape you need, and head to the parts store. Tell them what you're looking for, they'll have no problem with you walking around in the back and matching it to the hoses on the rack.
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When I've done searching on Summit Racing for radiators, some applications do pop up which I'll investigate...

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/GRI-1-58202-X/

Anyone know if the 6.0 liter truck accessories stick out more or less than F-Body or Vette?

EDIT - I've looked around more, and I think I should not rule out running a rad with a driver's side inlet.
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The truck accessories do stick out more, VVT have the biggest offset. Not sure how much it is though. I haven't really been concerned for my application
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I did a bunch more research yesterday, and realize I don't need a radiator with both hose inlet/outlets on the passenger side. I think unless I find a good deal for an LY6, I'm just as open to buying an LQ4 or LQ9, even just the shortblock. I've been watching pull-outs on Ebay and some intrigue me, engine + trans + all the FEAD.
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When I was looking, most LY6 pullouts were less than LQ4 and always less than LQ9, plus the LY6s are newer and generally have less miles. They aren't as easy of a swap for the old body style truck guys, so they don't have as much demand

One down side I have found is there are fewer carb intakes for the L92 heads. Edelbrock only makes a single plane. GMPP makes a single plane for the L92 heads and the LSX dual plane which fits. The GMPP dual plane is very expensive though. In the $500 range shipped most places. I'm just going to run the Vic Jr.
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My plan it to swap the engine first, and the trans some other time. If I try to tackle both at once the car will sit too long. Where are you seeing deals on the LY6 pullouts?
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Theres a couple scrap yards on ebay that regularly sell pullouts.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/07-10-6-0-LI...sories&vxp=mtr

This guy had one a couple months back with more miles for under 2k complete pullout.

Mostly, just surfing car-parts.com and talking to scrap yards (local and regional).
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When i was shopping for my L92 I found a bunch of LY6's for around the $1500 mark ( I bought from a local yard ). After swapping the L92 I can say wiring and ECM wise its a lot more pitfa than an older LS1 or 24x style swap as you have to ditch the BCM/TCM commands with wiring patches and tune work arounds. But if your planning on a carb it wont matter much as you'll be ditching all that stuff anyways. I havent done any homework on this though is there a plug and play ign box for the 58x set ups like there is for the 24x stuff from edelbrock or MSD?
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MSD makes the 6LS2 for the newer engines
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Thanks Aaron.

I've hit a bump in the road. I had a set of wing windows cut down for my car, and as much as it pains me to do this, I have to start over with another set. The shop that did them f'd them up about three different ways. So I am having Matt @ Townsend Fabrication who's shop I've been to in LA do me a new set. So I won't be able to finish the door glass, ie. the main section, until the wings are redone.

I drove the car anyway without 'em on Sunday, I'm crazy loco like that.

On a good note I got another center grille bar in from a guy in MO, so now I have all the pieces for fabrication.
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I wouldn't call that a bump. Its not even full on winter in Chicago yet. Not like you will be using it much
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I just have nothing in the doors right now, so if it's 35F out it's a bit cold to go for coffee.

My friend at Speed Inc., Jim, liked the truck power steering pump more than than the F-Body, I think I'm just going to try a set of the truck FEAD stuff.
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Snag me a set too!
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I had a long good talk with a local friend of mine who's been rockin' a 5.3/4L60E swap in a 1986 El Camino for 8 years... Dan P aka G-Body on the boards. I'm going to bring the Merc by his house and check out the 4 LS swapped cars he and his brother have. He brought up some good things to check so I'm going to bring Mercula over there and we will look at some of the aspects of the swap. They have a swapped El Camino, Monte SS, and an oddball swap that's probably the most relevant to me.. 1977 Buick Electra. Sounds like the truck stuff like the P/S works out mint, I'll just use this opportunity to figure out if the truck balancer and alt setup will fit good. He also has a local yard they have used a few times, so I'm going to try them first for the donor engine (and transmission).
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Good plan. G-body? Is he the "sawzall director" mod ( former mod? ) over at tech in the conversions section? If so hes a good guy Ive yakked with him many times and he knows his swaps.

As far as these engines go you cant really go wrong imo so long as you buy a stock drop out theres not a lot of issues with any LS engine regardless of mleage. So I typically buy on price and could care less about the mileage. I bought a 98 LS1 a few years ago with 280k kms on it and the damn thing still had cross hatch in the cyls and this car saw no mercy either.

If your going to boost then Id get a 5.3 or a 4.8 and if staying NA then get the 6.0L and you'll have tons of fun in that old girl.
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Yep that's Dan. He's real knowledgeable when it comes to the little things that get a project stuck in mid-swap.

I'm in no way planning boost. The old girl just needs a 450rwhp LS3 headed 6.0 and I'll be happy. I figure I'm rocking 350rwhp this would be a nice upgrade. Their local yard has worked out well so I will use those guys too. We are thinking I'll try the Pacesetters or Ebay headers since they are popular.
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"Mid swap problems" This indeed is where the men and boys get separated LOL. Sounds like you have a real nice plan there. Easiest way to go is stick with a 24x 6.0L and do the LS3 head swap then you can run whatever trans you want and control your fans with the PCM etc. But if you found and LY6 sub $1500 then that might be the plan. Happy hunting regardless 450 whp should be cake
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Since I would go carbed, I can run either reluctor wheel it won't matter I would think. I think I'm most likely to find LQ4 or LQ9's so I'm flexible. In that case I'll do ported heads I think. I want to keep the cam on the small side since I want the car to have a nice idle.
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True but I was thinking which might be more cost effective buying an LQ4 and dropping on some LS3 heads ( plus you get the lighter valves this way ) or buying an LY6 and swapping the reluctor wheel and possibly valves? You dont :
"need" to change the valves Im running the stock L92's on mine so I hope they dont cause me grief but time will tell but ive rung it out to 7K quite a few times already and Im running PAC1518 beehives too.

My heads are unported I didnt see the need they flow quite well stock. 222/230 eps cam
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LY6 = 58 tooth...

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The 6LS and 6LS-2 Ignition Controllers can now be installed on EFI or carburetor equipped engines. While it may seem blasphemous to some, putting a carburetor on a GM Gen-III V-8 is a great option for those wanting the advantages of the aluminum small block without the headaches of wiring a modern EFI system. The controllers allow you to map a timing advance curve with MSD’s easy-to-use Pro-Data+ software. Other programmable features include a two-step rev limiter, a vacuum advance curve for cruising economy and even a step retard in case you want to add a little nitrous to the mix. The 6LS is designed for LS1/LS6 type engines with a 24-tooth wheel, which can be identified by its black crank sensor connector. The 6LS-2 is designed specifically for the LS2/LS7 and its 58-tooth wheel, which can be easily recognized by its gray crank sensor connector. Both of these compact ignition controllers fit with matching factory connectors for a direct installation. Only a handful of connections are required; the coils, crank sensor, MAP sensor and the cam sensor. You’ll have your carb’ed LSX running in no time!
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DOH!

Im not retaining much these days.....
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No worries, I've just learned this stuff in the last month or so.
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Snow is all melted now, we are experiencing 55F weather in February, go figure. But here is a shot from last week:



I'm guessing I will get the wing windows back from Matt in a few weeks, he's backed up a bit right now.
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^^Cool pic John.
How much snow did you guys get? We had a 60 degree day here in MA in February! I love it!
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We got between 6 and 8 inches in 24 hours.
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We got between 6 and 8 inches in 24 hours.

That is all. lol We've been lucky here in MA. We haven't got much snow at all and I am not complaining.
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I remember when I lived in MASS we never got too much snow except for the rare blizzard.

Aight back to Ol Skool. Debating whether I just sling a 6.0 in there and leave the current trans in there, a TH350. Or also get a 4L80E or TH400. I sure like the idea of overdrive.
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Its been very light in the snow dept up here this year. Lightest I can ever remember in fact.

Warm too

As for the trans? Do it in stages if you want. Without "too much" hustle you could easily get that 6.0L in there in front of your current 3spd and rock it for this summer then plan the 4spd swap ( or maybe even 6L80e? ) over next winter.

This way you wont have to mess with a new cross member fabrication and driveshaft etc. Its just engine and exhaust and seeing as your gonna carb it? piece of cake man.

Hmmm I like this plan but keep doing whatever your doing its turning out so sweet I might just have to cruise down there for some Giordannos and a tour. I'll buy the drink you buy the gas LOL
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Yep, I'm leaning towards leaving the current trans in place too, minimize having too much going on.

Looks like I should really upsize my rad, Jesse Jame's Merc...

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Looks mean but Im not a fan of zero grill. I find James style trying too hard to be different. Sometimes different can work great but everything he does just fukn HAS to be different cuz his ego is so big it wouldnt fit through my 12' door.... Not to knock at the man hes one skilled dude its just style is very personal is all and sometimes theres just no need to reinvent the wheel.

Anyways back onto the car.. These LS engines cool extremely well I wouldnt hesitate to run the rad you have. If its enough for sbc then it will cool any cammed to hell LS with ease. Just saying if you find time tight dont worry about the rad until the end. Besides rockin an old school rad can also have some pimp appeal. Talk about different.....



Man im glad its Friday fellas. Good times
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I'm not a fan of his grille setup don't worry about that, I won't be doing that. In fact if I do find a brand new rad like that I will probably paint it black since his rad stands out like a gold tooth.
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get that 6.0L in there in front of your current 3spd and rock it for this summer then plan the 4spd swap
I agree with what cam said here. Better yet, if you can do the 6.0 and the trans at the same time,.....even better.
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I drove a bunch this weekend, went to check out Intmd8's '57 Brougham but also went downtown....

Marilyn.... Mercula approves...

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Anyone know the hose size for 4th gen, and truck water pumps? Is it all 1.5?
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I want to say the top is 1.5 and bottom is 1.25?
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It was super nice out, so I took the beauty cover off the radiator and also took some other pics to really start looking at fitment. Intmd8 thinks I can run the truck FEAD, and I will have to keep the alternator up top:



steering shaft


driver's side:


passenger side, hey that' the trans!


goofy radiator base, none of this is needed and I'll cut it out:


ac lines passenger side routing


ac inlet/outlet on condensor... ugly:
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Looks like Matt is right about the hose sizes, nice job!

From this link, more info about cooling systems that I can process right now, really gets me thinking about surge tanks and overflow tanks (I want it all): http://www.pirate4x4.com/tech/billavista/Cooling/

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Sweet find!

Gold star for me!
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Looks like if I ran the truck water pump I should get a radiator with the inlet on the passenger side given the angle... yeah?

Other pics in this ad: http://www.performancetrucks.net/for...s-w-ac-476621/

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Can you keep the low mounted AC compressor, or are you switching to something like a small Sanden high mount? If you're going high, check the clearance.
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I think I have to mount AC up high. I was thinking of not putting it back on even.
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VVT truck water pump has a diff angle. The factory routing for that truck exits at about 11 o clock facing the engine, makes a 90 toward the radiator, then follows along the radiator and enters on the top drivers corner
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Thanks Aaron. If I did something like the one you described I could probably run a universal radiator. I would need something between 29 and 28 wide, 19 tall, and 2-3 deep.
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I plan to reuse the existing radiator in my truck, which the standard dr side top outlet.
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Unread 03-13-2012, 09:45 AM   #214
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Are you going to use the LY6 water pump?
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TBD. I was hoping to find a set of accessories used on Tech, but not having any luck. Keep saying Im going to drive down to the salvage yard with some hundies and get a set, but I haven't done that either. When I was shopping for engines, all the yards said "no accessories," now that I need accessories, they all say they won't sell them loose.
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Poking around I find accessories on various sites and boards, pretty much have to decide whether you have room the truck FEAD or need F-Body or something else. I think I can fit the truck stuff so I'm preferring a full take-out but will buy just a long block if the miles are super low (or even a new engine). Reason I have been so mental about the radiator is that I want to have everything figured out so that when the car goes under the knife the whole swap takes a few days.
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Makes sense.

If you run across any truck setups, send me the link. I need WP, PS pump, alt, and the alt bracket.
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Anyone know if the radiator inlet and outlet diameters are the same for Gen III and IV?

My understanding is that they are 1.25 upper and 1.50 lower, but look at this radiator on Jegs... confusing!!!!

http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS-Performan...rentProductId=
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Someone gave me this link, reducers:

http://www.jagsthatrun.com/Pages/Par...eSplicers.html
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I was talking to a local guy who did this swap last year, and he gave me a lot of good advice.

http://www.chromeczars.com/board/sho...fleetline-swap

I'm going to use the 4th gen F-Body accessories so I can maximize room in front of the engine.
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I was talking to a local guy who did this swap last year, and he gave me a lot of good advice.

http://www.chromeczars.com/board/sho...fleetline-swap

I'm going to use the 4th gen F-Body accessories so I can maximize room in front of the engine.
Good idea. Save room for a front mount!!!
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I'm not sure the Speedway high mount alternator bracket will work on my car, the alt might hit my battery... We'll see. A while back I gave a bunch of f-bod stuff and now I need to buy it all over again... ha.
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Talked to a buddy, sounds like I need to try the truck setup... I don't want to relocate my battery...





Crappy-done wing windows out, new ones being fabbed by friend in LA. I need to have the front end worked on, it's due...



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I'm buying F-Body accessories, I like the idea of having maximum room in there. I'm looking for a starter and alternator if anyone has that stuff lying around.
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Did you determine the beast is rolling on a GM A body frame? You sure the Fbody drive alt location will clear the PS gearbox?
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I'm not sure what the frame is, I'm thinking GM B-Body. I plan to mount the alternator up high, getting a relocation bracket that will put it high on the passenger side. But then I won't be able to keep ac. But I'm keeping an eye out for both the F-Body and the truck stuff, I can buy both now and see what happens.
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So excited, I just received 2 pairs of very old aftermarket hubcaps, very excited. I think I like the red set more. Both sets will need a little bit of work, mostly polishing... These hubcaps were made in the 40's or 50's...





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BALLIN caps man! Oh yeah
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Cant go wrong either way. Nice score!
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Do you still need an F-body starter?
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Yes sir!
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I have one that I took off my boat when I went to a top mount starter. I have no use for it...and it was working great when removed.

If you want it, PM me your address. I believe it is a Delco starter.
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Done!
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Thank you for the Starter!!!

A cool pic of the most famous chopped Mercury, The 1951 Hirohata Merc, parked next to Jeff Neppl's 1950 Mercury before he started customizing it. While the '50 and '51 have different rear window and rear quarters, you can see here how much has been changed:

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Awesome picture!


I'm guessing the starter made it's way to you?
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Yes, I haven't opened the box yet but that's awesome!
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Glad to hear...now you owe me a ride if I ever make it back to the Windy City...
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Ride and dinner!

Still procuring parts, as well as moving on other fronts with the car. Right now the biggest progress is non-LS, it's a new set of wing windows.

I plan to buy some fat mat so I can do the interior of Miss Mercury.
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Are you doing most of this fab work yourself?

BTW - I have a rear motor plate, Corvette balancer, and maybe some other stuff if you need it.......but for sure no alternator.




What did you decide on for the interior? Velour?

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