[BUILD] 2006 Viper 200 MPH Build

[Nine Ball]

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I'll be using this thread to update the progress of my "re-build" for my 2006 Viper coupe. I've owned the car since '06, and had the Paxton Novi2000 supercharger and a catback system installed as soon as I bought it. The car runs pretty well with this combo, puts down between 650-674 rwhp depending on IAT temps. It has trapped 134.7 mph in the quarter, but I've not run it on drag radials for a good ET.

I ran the car about a year ago at the Texas Mile event, where it went 180.1 mph in the mile. It could have gone much faster had the 5th gear ratio not sucked so bad in the transmission. The car gets up to 160 mph in 4th gear, then it drops out of boost due to a huge rpm drop going into 5th.

So, I've been spending some money lately, gathering up parts to improve the car. :)

Late Model Engines (LME) will be building a forged shortblock for the car. Stock crank and bore (8.3L is plenty of cubes). Rods, pistons, bearings, APR fasteners throughout. I'll be using the stock heads with upgraded valvesprings, pushrods, exhaust valves, and a custom camshaft. LME claims the longblock will be good for 1,100 rwhp via supercharger, and up to 1,400 rwhp if I go turbo later. The main difference between the two is how much load is put on the crankshaft due to the blower. Engine parts are on order now, and when those arrive I'll be pulling the engine/trans out of the car at my house.

Once the new engine is in, I'll be doing some pulley swaps to push the Novi2000 blower to its limit. They are rated at 850-900 rwhp potential. Paxton also has a new Novi2500 unit out, which is the exact same housing and can push up to 1,200 rwhp. It is a true bolt-in swap. Might be worth considering later.

To solve the gearing issue, I've ordered a new Tremec TR6060 with revised 5th and 6th gear ratios. This will make gears 1-5 true acceleration gears. It will also make 6th more usable on the highways. Currently, with the OEM 3.07 rear gear ratio, 6th is worthless below 80 mph. This trans swap is based on the 2010 Viper transmission, and also requires a new driveshaft and flywheel. I'll be installing a dual-disk clutch to handle the power, likely from Ram.

Next up is the fuel system upgrade. I'll be using a nice billet pump (in-tank) hanger that is about to be available from RSI up in Dallas. This cool pump hanger can hold up to three Walbro 255 pumps in it, but I'll only need two for now. I'll also need upgraded fuel rails, lines, fittings, injectors, and a regulator.

The wheels above are some of my favorites ever, HRE P40 monoblok. But, their 19" front and 20" rear are more for looks than anything. Tire selection for 20" wheels sucks, other than street tires. I'll be going with another lightweight wheel combo, likely in a 19"/19" combo this time. There are some decent Hoosiers and DR's in 19" sizing for these cars. Something more suitable for putting the planned power to the ground.

Stay tuned for more pics/updates as I get further into this.

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[demonspeed]

This is pretty exciting! Odd to think a Viper owner actually plans on working on it at their own house :lol:

Hard to believe you've had that for 5 years already.

[Nine Ball]

I know, I think most Viper owners would have a gag reflex type reaction to holding a hand tool. I'm just a Camaro guy :)

[the right formula]

In for the engine pulling party.

[Brains]

I'll stand around and hand tools while drinking your beer :pimp:

[Pro Stock John]

This will be a great build to follow, sounds fun. What is your MPH goal at the mile, 200?

[QuickSilver]

I'll stand around and hand tools while drinking your beer :pimp:

Hell id make the drive to do that lol.

[kerryt1]

Cool build. Seems like the Viper crowd up here is either stock-ish or full-tilt-boogie TT setups.

Hate to see the P40s go as they look killer on this car, but understand the need...not to mention you seem to have "wheel ADD."

[Nine Ball]

This will be a great build to follow, sounds fun. What is your MPH goal at the mile, 200?

Yes, 200.0 mph would satisfy me on this car. With the proper gearing and around 800-850 rwhp, shouldn't be a problem. When that is accomplished, I'll begin working on the '69 Camaro vert next.

[Ragtop 99]

Yes, 200.0 mph would satisfy me on this car. With the proper gearing and around 800-850 rwhp, shouldn't be a problem.
For that speed range, do you meed to start looking at brakes/areo upgrades for safety? I don't follow the mile events closely, but the crashes that draw a lot of attention tend to be from cars in the speed range.

[will69camaro]

The crashes typically are from cars in a much higher speed range than that. Hell the two bad accidents I can think of were cars that were 230+mph cars.

Excited to see this go down. Let me know when the engine pull party is, I live near by :)

[Richiec77]

Stock Viper brakes are pretty bad-ass actually. Same size as what the CTS-V runs but in an even lighter car. Parachute might be needed to safely slow down with-in that 1/2 mile area.

I thought the Gen III cranks weren't strong enough for that power level?

[Nine Ball]

Most of the 1000-1400 rwhp Vipers are on stock cranks and blocks. Billet mains beyond that. When you have this many cubes, that power is pretty easy to make at lower boost numbers than you're used to seeing in the LSX world. Also, all done by 6K rpm.

[Richiec77]

AH. OK. Scott is convinced he'd need to run a forged crank in his Viper to make more power. Something about the GEN III's having a weaker stock crank vs the other years. This is good new for him.

You planning on running a chute to slow down?

And no. He's not interested in the rims for whatever reason.

[tones2SS]

I'll stand around and hand tools while drinking your beer :pimp:

lol I'd be down for that as well. Hell, I'd even bring my own beer to drink and hand out.:headbang:
Great plans for the Viper. Sounds like you have it all figured out. I'll be watching and observing for sure. Have fun man!

[Brains]

By and large, RPM kills cranks before power does.

When are you planning on pulling it, I might make the trip.

[Richiec77]

By and large, RPM kills cranks before power does.

When are you planning on pulling it, I might make the trip.

I never put that together for the crank. Always kept the RPM's in mind for Piston speed, valve springs and the like. Makes sense though.

I'm thinking the same thing on the engine pulling party!

[demonspeed]

I'm thinking the same thing on the engine pulling party!

Sure, why not add me in, too :drinkingbuddies:

[LawmanSS]

Sure, why not add me in, too :drinkingbuddies:

Want to carpool? :)

[Pro Stock John]

I'd think 850rwhp would readily run 200mph with the right gearing, a friend with a turbo LT1 4th gen went 200mph with 800rwhp.

[Nine Ball]

I had a good discussion with Wormy at LMR. They really want to get into the turbo market for these Vipers. I asked for a quote, something that would make a minimum of 1K rwhp, but nothing crazy like 1400+ rwhp. I still have some added expenses ahead if I run with the Paxton, such as an upgraded heat exchanger, pulleys and tensioner, possibly that Novi2500 upgrade. I can sell the current Paxton kit as-is, and likely cover most of the turbo kit components. You see, twins on a Viper are pretty easy to do, they use the OEM exhaust manifolds and the turbos fit right at the ends of them, and then the sidepipes come right off of the turbos. Running the cold side piping is where the slight amount of work comes in.

Tony

[BigBronco]

In for the engine pulling party.

You know I am going to be coming in town for this.


Let me know when it is time to take it apart Tony.

[Pro Stock John]

Twin turbo Viper would be sick.

[Ragtop 99]

go for the turbos!

[Richiec77]

Do it! I think the turbos would satisfy your power demands better than the Paxton. Also since the turbos would need to "only" supply 1k hp it might be better spooling.

[Brains]

Heck yea, choose a smaller A/R on the turbine side so they spool off idle, since you don't care about turning the RPM where flow where it would choke flow. That would be a brutal car to drive, lots of fun pedaling it through 1st-3rd.

[gator's 99TA]

how is there a problem with spooling turbos when tony has 505 cubic inches???

[StrobinSS]

Damn I can't wait to see this done.

[Nine Ball]

No such thing as a Viper having trouble spooling twins. In fact, it is actually recommended to go slightly oversize on the turbos so that they don't hit as hard and blow the tires away. Just run them at lower boost. After talking to SW about twin equipped Vipers about a year ago, he said they were the most scary cars he has driven.

[Tiago]

twin turbo ftmfw.

[Reckless]

Looks like fun!

[QuickSilver]

So did you decide turbo for sure on the Viper Tony?

[Nine Ball]

Turbo will eventually happen, but I think I'm just going to turn the Paxton boost up first. With the purchase of the recent 69 Camaro, my turbo funds just got spent. Still going to build the engine though. Waiting on custom pistons, as usual.

[Nine Ball]

Been a few months, time for some updates.

Before we pulled the engine out, I took some quick photos of the new rolling stock. Forgeline GA3 wheels, 19x10 front and 19x13 rear. The rears have 345 wide Nitto NT05-R drag radials. These wheels are pretty lightweight, and give the car a completely different look.

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We pulled the engine out of the car early December, and I dropped it off at LME to do the rebuild with forged rods/pistons, cam, ARP hardware, etc... I was going to have billet mains installed, but the supplier was taking too long so I nixed that idea and am just going to have them finish the engine. I'd like this car running by March, as we have some car events coming up (TX2K11, Texas Invitational, etc...)

That being said, I don't have the time to wait around for a custom turbo kit to be built. I'm also anxious to begin working on my two '69 Camaros instead. So, I've decided to upgrade the Paxton on this Viper, and shoot for 850-900 rwhp. Eventually I'll end up with twins, but that can wait. I'll be building my '69 coupe into the real hp toy.

Engine about to come out. That NOVI 2000 Paxton looks cool without a filter in front of it.

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1 KP under the hood. Kid Power.

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Dodge shipped one of their experimental TR6060 transmissions. This one has an aggressive 5th gear and 6th gear in it. Interesting piece of paper was in the crate...

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Some more goodies to install. KW ACR spec coil-overs. I'll be changing the springs to lower rates, better for the street. The new driveshaft is because the TR6060 is a little longer than the T56. This requires a shorter driveshaft.

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As for the Paxton upgrades, I've ordered the following parts:

Doug Levin belt tensioner $250
Doug Levin air/water heat exchanger and large capacity pump $795
Paxton 3.00" pulley (stock one is 3.75") $275
Woodhouse Performance engine mounts (poly) $249
Woodhouse Performance tranny mount (poly) $42
MGW billet shifter $325

To Order:
Billet drop-in fuel tank basket to hold 3ea Walbro 255 pumps (only need 2 pumps)
Dual-disk clutch
Fuel lines / fittings
Injectors

[StoleIt]

Looks pretty damn good with the new rims.

[Tiago]

looking good Tony.

once you ride in the car with the coil overs you will see how shitty the eibachs and caps were.... lol. As long as you set it up nice :D

[Z Fury]

Those new wheels do look amazing, especially against the color of your car. Will forging the internals allow you to spin this higher, or are you still working with the same redline regardless?

Also, what's your target start date for the '69? I'm really curious what you have in mind for that one.

[WILWAXU]

Lots of cool parts! :D Should be a fun project.

Strangely... I miss the white wheels on that car.

[QuickSilver]

I like the wheels. im not a huge fan of the black on blue but it doesnt look bad. I think just a satin would look AMAZING.

[Iroc313]

Coming along nicely!

How much do those viper motor's weigh?

[Ragtop 99]

the KP is getting big. :)

[Nine Ball]

Those new wheels do look amazing, especially against the color of your car. Will forging the internals allow you to spin this higher, or are you still working with the same redline regardless?

Also, what's your target start date for the '69? I'm really curious what you have in mind for that one.

Still same 6K rpm redline. That is due to the oiling limitations of the SRT-10 and the long crank. Even those 1500 rwhp Vipers get it done around the same rpm limit. Sucker pulls HARD to that limiter, it sure would be nice to spin them to 7K.

'69 coupe is later this year. I decided to build the '69 vert first, its been waiting around since 2005 for some love. That will be a different build thread...

How much do those viper motor's weigh?

Not sure on that one. They are all aluminum like the LS engines, just with two extra cylinders. Ballpark 20% more than an LS engine. haha

[Brains]

Is it not possible to drill and tap the block to reengineer the oiling system?

[Pipelayaz]

Nice build Tony. Looks like a lot of fun.

[Nine Ball]

Is it not possible to drill and tap the block to reengineer the oiling system?

Crankshaft related. Every Viper engine builder I spoke with said the rpm gains aren't worth the expensive of a 10-cyl billet crank.

[Richiec77]

Are you thinking about running a restrictor plate or Wastegate in combination with the upgraded pulley for the Paxton?

[Nine Ball]

Wasn't recommended by Paxton, or the various Viper shops. I'll consider that later, after I find the results. If it clears 850 rwhp - it will be just fine as-is.

[tones2SS]

Great to see the updates! Those wheels look great on there.

[Richiec77]

IT should be a beast of a ride at that point. Dibs on a shakedown co-pilot ride!

[Z Fury]

The more I come into this thread, the more I am thinking of going Viper over Vette... I still have about a year to 18 months to decide...

If I could buy today, I'd have a hard time deciding between a GS, a Z06, and an SRT. Not a bad decision to have though.

[Nine Ball]

Ordered the clutch today. Ram Force 10.5 dual-disk, 900 series disk upgrade. They claimed this one is holding well in 1,300 rwhp Vipers. Looks something like this:

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[Pipelayaz]

The TR6060 will hold that kind of power? Thats crazy.

[Nine Ball]

There are T56's that are holding this power, just not as long as a TR6060 does.

[Nine Ball]

My built engine is here! I'll be wrenching on this car the next week or two, it has priority over the '69.

Long list of things to install. Just waiting on the Doug Levin belt tensioner to arrive this week.

[tones2SS]

Man, you are a busy man Tony. Between work, the Viper, the '69 and the wheels website!
Keep us posted on this build.

[Nine Ball]

We installed the new Woodhouse polyurethane engine mounts yesterday, and set the engine back into the car. Dodge does some stupid stuff when it comes to threaded holes, we spent 30 minutes searching for some bolts that didn't exist. To mount the A/C compressor, Dodge has you passing some very long bolts thru the water pump housing which has threads - only to actually get threaded into the engine block. The threads in the water pump housing don't do anything but serve as a bolt hole to pass through. Silly stuff.

We also removed the side sills from the car, to access the exhaust. I'll be removing the cats on this new setup. Good thing we checked too, because the cats on both sides of my car were busted and mangled looking inside. That might explain why my car used to make 674 rwhp and then only 650 rwhp later on. I've got some Belanger headers to go back into the car now. Wanna see Viper tax? http://belangerheaders.com/home/vehicles/03%27-06%27%20SRT%20COUPE.asp

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[Ragtop 99]

$2900 for headers. Ouch. Originally I was surprised to see they were 1.75" primaries for such a big motor. Then I remembered you have a couple spare cylinders. ;)

[demonspeed]

I don't know what makes me more sickened: $3000 headers or the fact that you are able to throw $3000 out for them.

[Iroc313]

LMAO.

75$ for band clamps?

70$ for a gasket set?

I cannot believe people would shelve out the money for that.

There's a whole lot of space in that bay, haha.

[Tiago]

nice

[Nine Ball]

Engine and headers are now in the car. Those headers were sort of a pain in the ass to install. Had to lift the engine up off the mounts enough to clear, and remove all sorts of stuff from the fender well on the passenger side. Definitely not what I'd consider a weekend in the driveway on jackstands mod.

[Pipelayaz]

I'll never bitch about my KOOKS again.

[Nine Ball]

More pics. Doing a 100% new fuel system, with a billet fuel pump basket from Racing Solutions. It replaces the factory hanger, and holds three Walbro 255 pumps. I'm only using two pumps for this setup. Single -8 feed line to the new RSI billet fuel rails, and a single -6 return line from the regulator.

We also found the catalytics in my previous exhaust were severely melted and falling apart, no doubt costing me some power. Those have been removed, as the new headers are longer and took the area where the cats were anyways. I welded up the exhaust with my MIG.

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Factory Single Disk Clutch:
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Bad Boyz Garage Dual-Disk Clutch with aluminum flywheel:
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[Ragtop 99]

that's a lot of mass to drop from the clutch.

[Z Fury]

Especially when you consider it is now dual disc. Very nice savings there.

[StoleIt]

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Seems like a good time to get those valve covers powder coated!

[demonspeed]

Especially when you consider it is now dual disc. Very nice savings there.

My thoughts exactly. Can't wait for this to come together.

[Nine Ball]

I spent a few hours yesterday under the dashboard. That SUCKS in a Viper. Very claustrophobic under there, especially on your back and working on wires right in front of your face. I removed the Paxton timing controller unit, which was spliced into the factory wiring. That unit is what the box kit Paxton uses to intercept the cam and crank signals, and adjusts the timing based on a boost reference. It also serves as a boost-a-pump that triggers the previous two external fuel pumps. None of that crap is needed now that I've got the in-tank pumps and have SCT tuning software. I'm hoping to get the car put back together by the end of this coming weekend, then get it tuned next week.

[Richiec77]

I spent a few hours yesterday under the dashboard. That SUCKS in a Viper. Very claustrophobic under there, especially on your back and working on wires right in front of your face. I removed the Paxton timing controller unit, which was spliced into the factory wiring. That unit is what the box kit Paxton uses to intercept the cam and crank signals, and adjusts the timing based on a boost reference. It also serves as a boost-a-pump that triggers the previous two external fuel pumps. None of that crap is needed now that I've got the in-tank pumps and have SCT tuning software. I'm hoping to get the car put back together by the end of this coming weekend, then get it tuned next week.

I completely feel ya on the underdash crap. I had to pull the fan pack relay on the passenger side....never again. I'm use to working under the dash of cars doing car alarms, remote starts and alarms. Viper takes the cake by MILES for being the shittiest to work on. I don't even have a comparison.

I think next time I have to work in there I'm pulling the seats out to get some more space. Still sucks.

[Iroc313]

Diggin' the fuel setup.

I guess the newer ones are return less setups as well?

[Nine Ball]

Factory pump hanger has a regulator built into it, so no return. My aftermarket setup has a -8 feed to the new billet rails, -6 into the regulator and -6 return line to the tank.

[Nine Ball]

The engine fired up on the first attempt last night. That was after spending a day dealing with the new fuel system quirks. The pumps were pre-installed in the basket, and were wired up backwards. Then I had a bad leak on the fitting at the back of the passenger side fuel rail, mostly due to it being a shitty bulkhead O-ring connector that wouldn't seal properly. I overnighted a different fitting which arrived yesterday. Simple -8 O-ring with a nice swivel -6 AN male 90 degree on the other end. It works perfectly.

Video of it running: http://youtu.be/_fyBGZrFaI0

Left to do: install transmission, shifter. Get a dyno tune. Install two more mufflers inline (it is LOUD right now), put the body panels back on the car.
Now for some photos!

Intake manifold upgrades: Racing Solutions billet fuel rails, upgraded Deka IV injectors (part number 110324, 80 lbs/hr @ 43.5 psi rated, 92 lbs/hr @ 58 psi), billet throttle cable bracket to clear the new fuel rails.

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Added stainless braided fuel lines alongside the factory lines. -8 feed and -6 return. Regulator mounted on firewall, driver's side.

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Vroom!

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[the right formula]

Sexy!!!!

[instant_cash_loans_009]

She is a beast! Awesome build!

[VENOM]

Everything looks great Tony the new wheels looks beautiful.

Is that an aftermarket A2W intercooler?
Have you thought about DW Pumps? we used a couple of RSI hanges (on Vettes) we had a couple of Walbro failing for some reason dual DW will be good for 1000+rwhp.

Also do you think with slight mods you can fit an F1R ?

[tones2SS]

Very, very nice. That engine bay looks killer!

[Jano4]

Love it.

[instant_cash_loans_009]

Hey Tony, I assume this beast will be complete by July... I am coming home on leave sometime in July and I am from SE Texas as well (Vidor, TX) Anyways, was wondering if you could give me a ride in this sweet ride? I would also like to look at your other cars too that would be awesome! :grin:

[Brains]

Man, all that automotive pornography, and what do we see? Black zip ties holding the fuel lines in the tunnel! :jest:


(I'm assuming you're coming back with some decent clamps.)

[will69camaro]

Man, all that automotive pornography, and what do we see? Black zip ties holding the fuel lines in the tunnel! :jest:


(I'm assuming you're coming back with some decent clamps.)

It's a dodge, zipties are probably factory equipment...

[Brains]

:lol: :owned:

[Nine Ball]

Venom, the F1R would take a lot of re-engineering of the pulley layout and offsets. The Paxton NOVI2500 head unit however, is a direct bolt-in. Uses the exact same outer housing. That unit put down 1,084 rwhp recently on another SRT-10 Viper with a similar combo. The A/W setup is the factory Paxton setup, I'm waiting on a larger water pump and grille heat exchanger to show up though.

Brian, no clamps. Dodge DOES use zip ties all over the car. 25 lb rated zip ties work perfectly and I don't have to drill any holes through my trans tunnel.

[Brains]

lol. That's even more funny! I'd be really tempted to tack weld some 6-32 threaded rod to the tunnel and bolt in some nice aluminum brackets, unless I was in a big hurry to drive the car of course :D

Just seems kinda ghetto to use zip ties, especially considering the price tag. I know they'll work fine, and nobody will ever see 'em under there, but it's just one of those things. I would know, and it would bug me.

[A-Dub]

lol. That's even more funny! I'd be really tempted to tack weld some 6-32 threaded rod to the tunnel and bolt in some nice aluminum brackets, unless I was in a big hurry to drive the car of course :D

Just seems kinda ghetto to use zip ties, especially considering the price tag. I know they'll work fine, and nobody will ever see 'em under there, but it's just one of those things. I would know, and it would bug me.

I'll make sure I leave the zip tie photos out of my build threads ;) Seriously though, all modern manufacturers use zip ties in a lot of places

[Nine Ball]

The entire belly of a Viper gets closed completely up with covers. I'd rather opt for the non-permanent mods, when a simple zip tie works perfectly. Had there not been anything in there to attach the lines to, then yes it would require clamps of some sort.

[cam]

Not all ZIP ties are created equal there are some damn tough ones nylon with braid steel etc. I use em pretty often on wiring harnesses and small lines similar to whats going on in this build. Cant say Ive ever had a single problem caused by a zip tie save for some grazed skin by nicking myself on a trimmed one. I have a special cutter now that cuts them smooth so no sharp zips hiding anywhere anymore

[QuickSilver]

new plate for the car Tony (ZIP TID)

[Pro Stock John]

Is the Viper looking like the PT ride at this point?

If you can fit the Novi 2500 at some point, that's plenty of blower. Are you planning to tune the car again, did you change anything to the engine? I recall you making 600rwhp-ish, don't exactly recall...

[Nine Ball]

Previously made 674 rwhp with:
-completely stock engine
-stock exhaust manifolds (look like shorty headers)
-catalytics and custom 3" catback
-out of box Paxton kit with 3.75" pulley, piggyback timing controller, SCT tuning, stock injectors, dual external walbros w/ FMU.
-stock T56 trans and clutch.

With melted cats, the same combo above made 650 rwhp. haha

New combo:
-Forged internal engine 9.5:1 (same CR as stock, BTW)
-Custom camshaft, valvesprings, pushrods
-Longtube headers, no cats
-Paxton pulley swapped to 3.0" from 3.75"
-Completely new fuel system front to back, dual Walbros in tank, new rails, 92# injectors, etc.. everything.
-Removed piggy back Paxton timing controller, will use SCT by itself
-2 Bar MAP sensor
-Revised catback setup to make it quieter
-TR6060 transmission with upgraded 5th and 6th gear ratios
-Ram dual-disk clutch with aluminum flywheel (20 lbs lighter than OEM)

[Ragtop 99]

-TR6060 transmission with upgraded 5th and 6th gear ratios what are the ratios stock and upgraded?

[Nine Ball]

5th 0.63, 6th 0.50 - Factory T56
5th 0.80, 6th 0.74 - 2013 TR6060 (my new trans)

Also, a 2010 (only this year) TR6060 factory Viper trans has the 0.80 5th, but the normal 0.50 6th.

[TWEAKED]

Saaaaaaaaaucey!!! Nice work as always Tony.

[Nine Ball]

Thanks. Car is all but done, just needs a dyno tune. This should happen Thurs or Friday of this week. It sounds badass with the cam and new exhaust system. Lets hope it puts down some respectable numbers, without any issues.

Tony

[Pipelayaz]

Niiiiiiiice! Its cool to here about something else other than LSX every once in a while. Breaks up the monotony.

For some reason I was thinking your car already had a TR6060 in it. I'm pretty excited to see what the new Viper is packign as well. I've been getting teaser pics on my Facebook for a while now from SRT.

[Nine Ball]

2008+ Vipers have the TR6060 trans. Basically when they went 600 hp rated.

[Richiec77]

FRIDAY! Do it Friday! I'll be in town for the Tosh.0 show man.

[Nine Ball]

We'll be at Tosh too! If you want to join us for dinner, let me know.

[Richiec77]

Cool man. The guy I work with will be coming too. We're driving straight to Houston after work starting around 2:30-3:00.

PM coming your way.

[Pro Stock John]

Should be interesting, !cats, headers, cam, and smaller pulley. Hard to guess what power it will make. Are you using meth or anything like that?

[Richiec77]

I'm guessing it'll put down about 850

[Nine Ball]

SCT tuning software isn't very user friendly, Joe is having to tweak things little by little and make pulls on the dyno. Also, it is a slow process of having to upload the file from the laptop into the hand-held box, then flashing the PCM.

Today, we had some blower belt slippage issues, so I've cranked the tensioner a little at a time until that went away. So far, at 19 degrees timing and 10.9 psi boost. It is at 777 rwhp for now. We plan on going back Saturday to finish the tuning. It should be over 800 rwhp. The car needs an overdrive crank pulley, 11 psi sorta sucks. Can't go much smaller than the 3.0 blower pulley I have, without worse belt slip issues.

I'll run it at the 8XX power for a while, get it sorted out.

[Richiec77]

http://s1083.photobucket.com/albums/j381/vipairpe/?action=view&current=IMG_5080.mp4

You need one of these lol.

Good old SC problems. How hard is it to get a hold of a Crank pulley for the Viper? Maybe get one like what's on the CTS-V. That's one hell of a nice balancer.

[Pro Stock John]

Closing in on 800rwhp, nice! Does the blower have it's own belt... And how many ribs is it?

[Iroc313]

SCT tuning software isn't very user friendly, Joe is having to tweak things little by little and make pulls on the dyno. Also, it is a slow process of having to upload the file from the laptop into the hand-held box, then flashing the PCM.

Today, we had some blower belt slippage issues, so I've cranked the tensioner a little at a time until that went away. So far, at 19 degrees timing and 10.9 psi boost. It is at 777 rwhp for now. We plan on going back Saturday to finish the tuning. It should be over 800 rwhp. The car needs an overdrive crank pulley, 11 psi sorta sucks. Can't go much smaller than the 3.0 blower pulley I have, without worse belt slip issues.

I'll run it at the 8XX power for a while, get it sorted out.

How much timing do those generally run?

HPT is coming out with some cracks for the viper no?

[the right formula]

Can't wait to hear this thing in person. Nice numbers so far Tony!! Keep that thing shined up for me....maybe I'll snag it from you when you buy your 2013 :)

[Ragtop 99]

I assume you already have the 7" crank pulley?

[Nine Ball]

PSJ, the blower has it's own dedicated belt. The drive pulley is bolted onto the front of the stock dampener. 8-rib belt setup, as there isn't any room for a 10-rib. 10-rib requires a $3500 upgrade kit with all new blower brackets, idlers, pulleys, tensioner, etc...

Not worth it. I'll go twins before that ever happens. Used Paxton kits sell pretty easily in the Viper market.

Joel, not sure on the crank pulley size. I hear it is a 6.75", but I've never measured it.

We are currently dyno tuning today at LMR, the car is at 841 rwhp and 784 ft-lbs - heat soaked :)

Tony

[Richiec77]

NICE! Glad it got close to 850 today.

Car sounds AWESOME! Sick choice on the exhaust and cam. Remember. PCV or Catch-Can LOL.

[Pro Stock John]

Sweet numbers!!

[Pipelayaz]

Stout numbers, good job.

[Nine Ball]

Some final completion photos and dyno results.

http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr29/ynotdv8/Viper/DSC00181.jpg

http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr29/ynotdv8/Viper/DSC00183.jpg

http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr29/ynotdv8/Viper/DSC00180.jpg

http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr29/ynotdv8/Viper/DSC00190.jpg

http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr29/ynotdv8/Viper/DSC00177.jpg

http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr29/ynotdv8/Viper/DSC01906.jpg

http://i466.photobucket.com/albums/rr29/ynotdv8/Viper/paxton-before-after-forged.jpg

Dyno Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_Hi3rLKFTQ

I ran it hard a few times on the way home from LMR today. It feels much different than before. Throttle response is instant now, it used to lag with the previous fuel system having to kick on some aux external pumps with an FMU, and it didn't pull as smooth with the previous piggyback timing control module. Now it revs very quickly and feels very smooth throughout the rpm range. Redline comes in a hurry, being only at 6100 rpm. So, we picked up about 185 rwhp.

Tony

[TexZ]

Awesome results, a lot more power under the curve. I bet the seat of your pants feel is much better! It'll be a shame to get rid of it in a year for the 2014...

[Ragtop 99]

The finished product looks great. Do the tires go up in smoke when you nail it below 100 mph?

[Nine Ball]

Awesome results, a lot more power under the curve. I bet the seat of your pants feel is much better! It'll be a shame to get rid of it in a year for the 2014...

I won't be selling this one to buy a 2013. I'll figure out how to own both at the same time.

Joel, the car is now on 345 wide Nitto 19" NT05-R drag radials full time. They are very sticky tires.

[MetallicaMatt]

Any chance of in car joy rides in the future? Nicely done.

[tones2SS]

Very nice.:drool:

[WILWAXU]

Hard to complain about that.

Nice work!

[Nine Ball]

Some in-car videos from this past weekend. I ran the car at the Texas Invitational event near Dallas, TX. It is an invite-only event, based on a few local message boards. All of the cars were 750+ rwhp. More info at www.TexasSpeedSyndicate.com

I beat a couple cars that run 9.40-9.50 in the 1/4-mile. This is a roll racing event, with both cars pacing side by side at 60 mph - then a green light comes on and you nail it. The acceleration length is just over 1/4-mile, at 1500 ft distance. I was reaching about 160 mph across the finish line (top of 4th gear). At 840 rwhp, I was in the midrange of this pack of 50+ cars. More than half the cars were over 1,000 rwhp.

Vs. Turbo fox body (9.50s car) - I won by 1 car length
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzgnKHLt2F8

Vs. Nissan GT-R (9.40s car) - I won by 1.5 car lengths
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTUvejqDwGk

Best of all? I got in about 15 hard passes throughout the weekend. Not a single issue to report. I only lost 3 races, one from blowing a 4th gear shift, the other two just from not enough power. I'm itching to take this thing to the drag strip now. Should be 9s...

[Richiec77]

AAAAhhh....Good runs. She was pulling strong without a hic-up.

[Ragtop 99]

Congrats on the good runs. Nice to have 850 reliable RWHP.

[Nine Ball]

Congrats on the good runs. Nice to have 850 reliable RWHP.

A lot of cubes and only 12 psi, that is the key ;)

[cam]

Its definitely badass theres no disputing that! Its just a shame its not LS powered

:jest:

[Nine Ball]

LS powered at 12 psi would be slower. No thanks!

[cam]

OUCH! A founder of the LS scene slagging on LS potential. Oh the horror


:jest:

[Nine Ball]

Haha, my CTS-V is at 12 psi. Only about 300 rwhp less. No biggie.

[cam]

PSI donest mean that much in terms of power output its CFM that makes the difference. Im not trying to argue the point over what makes most power because that answer is simple....

How fast do you want to buy?

Regardless I was just poking a wee bit of fun at ya guvna the car is ballin I just personally would take great pleasure in seeing the fastest Vipers be Chevy powered is all

:rock:

[tones2SS]

Congrats on the good runs. Nice to have 850 reliable RWHP.

You said it,.....reliable.
Awesome job Tony.