2005 GTO - Midnight Blue Metallic - M6 - SLOWWWW Moving Build Thread

[Skill]

This is my slow moving build thread. This is how it's supposed to be done, folks. Big plans, small budget. Pieces and updates will come here and there for a long time, and it will never be "done."

Some of you have seen the other thread, but here's her official intro following a detail and some other small things.


It's a 2005 GTO, M6, 17s, Midnight Blue Metallic. Just about to roll over 30k.


I haven't gotten the car out for real shots yet, but here are a few snaps from right after I got a fresh detail on it.

-Quick Easy Wash in the (tiny) garage
-Mothers clay bar
-Zaino Z5 Pro (1 coat)
-Zaino Z2 Pro (1 coat)
-Natty's Blue paste wax on everything but the bumpers (got tired...)

I'm not the world's biggest Zaino proponent, but it's nice, foolproof stuff to use until I order a PC and some real products.

I removed the rear spoiler and front plate holder with Grafxwerks overlays. Also debadged the rear "PONTIAC" and "6.0." This week, I'm going to get some plasti-dip or satin black Krylon for the front grills, hood grills, and front and rear arrowheads. Then I need to think about what to do with the side badges, but right now they're too bright. New photos to come when I get that all done.



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[Z Fury]

The car looks great. I like the contrast of the color against the snow. I never understood the appeal of debadging a car though, but to each their own.

[Skill]

It's got "GTO" in the valence and a Pontiac arrowhead back there. I don't need it to say "6.0" and "Pontiac" one more time. It was too much.

[Nine Ball]

I'm in the camp that thinks the GTO starts out already somewhat dull looking, and looks even more boring without a spoiler of some sort. That is one reason I converted mine to the Monaro look. They just need a little help to make them stand out some.

[Pro Stock John]

What camera settings? :)

I've been wanting to see someone talk about Zaino again, are you a z head?

Car looks great, would be awesome if you did some wheels and then found a nice background for pics.

[Skill]

I'm in the camp that thinks the GTO starts out already somewhat dull looking, and looks even more boring without a spoiler of some sort. That is one reason I converted mine to the Monaro look. They just need a little help to make them stand out some.

I'm perfectly happy being understated. Hell, i want to get an '04 hood and have it painted MBM. I hate the tacky hood scoops. That said, the end-game for the spoiler is to get the decklid filled, install a JHP V1 lip spoiler, and repaint the whole thing. I'll get there eventually, but anything is better than the boomerang that it came with. Not to mention, I'm going to teach my tiny wife to drive it when it warms up, and that spoiler was mondo big.

What camera settings? :)

I've been wanting to see someone talk about Zaino again, are you a z head?

Car looks great, would be awesome if you did some wheels and then found a nice background for pics.


Haha, photos were just 2 minutes snapping the photos and 3 minutes in LightRoom.

I like Zaino, but I'd rather use Poorboys stuff. Zaino does what it is supposed to do though.

Thanks. I'm thinking 19" VMR VB3s powdercoated a matte gunmetal, but that will wait until the suspension is entirely replaced. Nothing wrong with stock for now...I've seen plenty of people swap wheels on that look worse!

[Iroc313]

Excellent.

Now get some window tint!

[Brains]

Don't go 19's, tires are too expensive. Get 20's - they'll look better, and cheaper to keep rubber on 'em.

I like a spoiler too, helps the car look "finished" I guess. Looking forward to the lip spoiler, it should help a bit.

I like the hood scoops, but wish they would have stuck more to the concept scoop style (more squared) but of course that means the bullnose front bumper wouldn't match. Either way, the scoops help break up the huge flat expanse of the hood, which is why the 05+ got 'em.

Speaking of new stuff, the '06 tails would look a LOT better against the MBM than those big honking red suckers.

[Skill]

Don't go 19's, tires are too expensive. Get 20's - they'll look better, and cheaper to keep rubber on 'em.

I like a spoiler too, helps the car look "finished" I guess. Looking forward to the lip spoiler, it should help a bit.

I like the hood scoops, but wish they would have stuck more to the concept scoop style (more squared) but of course that means the bullnose front bumper wouldn't match. Either way, the scoops help break up the huge flat expanse of the hood, which is why the 05+ got 'em.

Speaking of new stuff, the '06 tails would look a LOT better against the MBM than those big honking red suckers.


I've had this car in planning stage for a long time... I know exactly where I'm going with this thing. Now it's just waiting to have the money to do it all, and also figuring out what order to mod in.

-Here's the spoiler I like best for the back.
http://memimage.cardomain.com/ride_images/2/3214/3541/20534270074_large.jpg





-19s are as big as I'll run. Factory tire diameters are not that big. 20" tires that fit under a slightly lowered suspension like I want are rubber bands. The sizes I've got picked out are available in the NT05 for under $900, but also the RE-11 and AD08 for some more mulah. That's not too expensive in my book.

This is the wheel I want to run.
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But in this powdercoat.
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Gunmetal looks so purdy on blue cars. ;-)
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-The hood is a "least of the evils" thing to me. Flat is boring, but boring is better than tacky. IMO, all other hoods (aftermarket as well) for the GTO fall in the tacky category. Again, just my opinion.
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-Tails are going to be modified VXs. Like deees...
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[STiG]

Should be a pretty good looking car when you're done.

[Skill]

Should be a pretty good looking car when you're done.

We'll see what you think in "x" years when it gets there. :jest:

[Pro Stock John]

I like your ideas, that lip spoiler is way better than the stock one (personal taste)

[Ragtop 99]

I like the wheels you're considering, but the plain hood doesn't do it for me. The hood scoops on the stock car aren't over the top and are a key pontiac design cue. The light blue car pictured looks too much like an econobox with the plain hood.

I did really like Tony's GTO with the body changes, but maybe part of that was the color ;)

[tones2SS]

Great looking car. Very nice.
ZAINO = ***.:headbang:

[Pro Stock John]

I like the hood with the scoops, I think they are okay.

Tony's GTO was great.

From a spoiler standpoint, I'm in the none or lip spoiler category. I never like big OEM spoilers and the GM boomerang ones like on the GTO only remind me of the Grand Am one in a bad way. But overall the car's are cool and wheels really zazz 'em up.

[Skill]

Just a few fresh pics of the car. The photos aren't great. Overhead sun, and I rushed 'em.

Since I bought it....
-Spoiler delete
-Satin black bumper grills and scoop grills
-Blacked out arrowheads
-Debadged rear
-A good cleanin'

Some minor paint work, a lip spoiler, front splitter, wheels, and full suspension to go, and the exterior will be finished. :lol:



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This last one wouldn't usually make the cut, but it really shows the changes up front.

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[Pro Stock John]

Looks great. Appears to be some poles growing out of the car in the first pic? I generally tell folks to watch out for them, but I know this is your first rodeo and all.

I'm very interested in how nice the paint looks and your use of Zaino. My Merc is a very dark blue and I'd like to keep it from looking swirly. Did you first wash the car in dawn etc?

[Skill]

Looks great. Appears to be some poles growing out of the car in the first pic? I generally tell folks to watch out for them, but I know this is your first rodeo and all.

I'm very interested in how nice the paint looks and your use of Zaino. My Merc is a very dark blue and I'd like to keep it from looking swirly. Did you first wash the car in dawn etc?


John, you ho, don't mess with me. By the time I found a decent spot for a side shot, I had to piss so bad I thought I was going to explode. :psj: I may clone it out, but I don't know if the shot is worth the time. The blown out sky ruins it for me. Lack of exposure latitude is a big limitation for me with my camera (Panasonic GF1).


Here's what I did with the paint, step-by-step for ya.

1. Dawn wash
2. Mother's clay with showtime quick detailer for lube
3. Zaino Z5 - 1 coat
4. Zaino Z2 - 1 coat
5. Poorboys Natty Blue Paste Wax.

The Nattys is formulated for dark paint. It's as good as pretty much any jar of wax, including some stuff that costs $60-$80.

Do you have, or have any plans of getting, a Porter Cable or anything like that? I can recommend some products with light abrasives if that would fit what you need better. The Zaino is entirely non-abrasive.

[Pro Stock John]

If that is an orbital buffer I would say yes.

My Merc is uber dark blue, and I don't want it to look like shyte every time I wash it.

Digging your GTO, !spoiler is a cool look.

[Ragtop 99]

car looks good in the second group photos, just add wheels and your done.

[Skill]

car looks good in the second group photos, just add wheels and your done.

Thanks. Suspension too though...look at that thing sag in the back. Not sure which will come first.

[zx10r_07]

Some Forgestar F14's would look about like those BMW wheels too.

[Skill]

Some Forgestar F14's would look about like those BMW wheels too.


Yep, those are nice. Offsets aren't perfect for me though. They have a new wheel that looks great as well.

[Nine Ball]

Forgestar offsets are custom, we can build them however you want. Let me know if you want a set, I'm a dealer and will hook you up. The 5-spoke CF5 wheels just arrived last week, but only in a few sizes.

[Skill]

Forgestar offsets are custom, we can build them however you want. Let me know if you want a set, I'm a dealer and will hook you up. The 5-spoke CF5 wheels just arrived last week, but only in a few sizes.


19x10 is only available up to +44, unless the website is wrong, and they don't even make a 19x9.5. On a 9.5 wheel, +45 is the fitment I want in the back, so with a 10" I would need +51. I'm not sure how much I want to push the envelope, because if I have a 10" wheel, I wouldn't be happy without trying to fit a 295.

When are they going to put up the CF5s on their site?

[Phantom_LS2]

Something else that would make the front end of the car flow better would be some tinted clear side markers.

[Nine Ball]

19x10 is only available up to +44, unless the website is wrong, and they don't even make a 19x9.5. On a 9.5 wheel, +45 is the fitment I want in the back, so with a 10" I would need +51. I'm not sure how much I want to push the envelope, because if I have a 10" wheel, I wouldn't be happy without trying to fit a 295.

When are they going to put up the CF5s on their site?

Correct, only sizes available are 19x8.5, 19x9 and 19x10.

Since the GTO will only fit a 275 tire anyways (even with rolled lips), I'd just stick with 19x9 rears. The only reason we used to run 19x9.5 rears is because certain wheels have more lip depth at that 9.5 size. Since neither wheel you are looking for has a lip anyways, that doesn't matter so much.

I'd go 19x8.5 +35 fronts, 19x9.0 +38 rears

I had the 19x9.5 +45 rears on my GTO. With the Nitto 555 275 tires, I had to roll the fender lips AND install the BMR drag bags to prevent it from rubbing. They still rubbed like hell over bumps without those airbags.

GTO tire fitment plain sucks. Seriously. The G8 is a little better (285 rears)

[Pro Stock John]

J, was it cold when you applied the Zaino? I have a big blue bus to Zaino in a couple of weeks.

[Skill]

J, was it cold when you applied the Zaino? I have a big blue bus to Zaino in a couple of weeks.

Yeah John, it was about freezing. On mine, I coated the whole car nice and thin, waited 5-10 minutes, buffed it off and started again. I definitely recommend a carnauba final step on top of the Zaino. Zaino looks good, but with that blue, the Natty's paste wax I used from Poorboys would make it killer. A long-lasting polish with a carnauba on top is the best of both worlds.

I'm planning on washing mine about weekly, applying the Natty's monthly, then claying and doing the full polish/sealant every 6 months or so. But mine is a dd, and yours is, well, not. YMMV. Good luck. It will be fun to see that dark blue paint get better and better with each step!

[Pro Stock John]

Buffer... PC?

I've never used one before, go light and easy?

[Skill]

Buffer... PC?

I've never used one before, go light and easy?

I actually don't have one right now, so I didn't use one. I had one back when I owned my LT1. As far as Zaino goes, it is entirely non-abrasive, so a buffer or PC will only speed the process up. It's not a necessity at all.

It's only "required" for polishes and swirl removers with abrasives, because the particles break down into smaller particles with heat. Without the heat from the PC or buffer when using an abrasive, you don't break the particles down, and you can end up with marring. If you want to get a feel for using one though, get a junk panel from somewhere. I wouldn't start learning on that new paint.

I would just use quality microfiber applicators and then towels to buff off. Cobra is good stuff. Autopia or Autogeek are good sources.

[Pro Stock John]

Cool, I'll ping you when I'm ready to work on the bus.

[Skill]

Dicked around a little this week while I was off from school. Results...


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[demonspeed]

Looks good!

I'm not into the carbon fiber emblem, though.

[Skill]

Looks good!

I'm not into the carbon fiber emblem, though.

Thanks. In my eyes, the carbon badges are way better than the thick, paint-chipping OEM one. I'd rather have the JHP repeaters, but these were $125 cheaper. I can put that much money to good use on better things, like bushings.

[Pro Stock John]

Nice interior shots.

[tones2SS]

Very nice. Car looks extremely clean!

[Skill]

Been awhile since I updated this, although I haven't done a whole lot. Latest mod is quad projector headlights. Bi-xenons FX-Rs with MDX halogen projectors as additional high beams. Lots of cutting, painting, and the like.

All sorts of light, and the beam is insanely wide. The HIDs are 50W and 5000k.

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Over the next month, I'll be building custom LED tails to match the updated headlights. I've also got suspension parts trickling in little by little. Coilovers, strut mounts, radius rod bushings, and everything to rebuild the front control arms will go on this spring. :naughty:

[zx10r_07]

Looks killer, and that is a nice cut-off for the light. I wish 4th gen birds had at least decent lighting lol.

[Phantom_LS2]

Looks great dude. Do you have any examples of how you expect the tails to look when you're finished?

[Skill]

Thanks guys.

zx10r 07, do you still have a 4th gen? I'd have to look to know for sure. It would be pretty easy to retrofit a bixenon projector in those pop-ups. I've seen some C5s done really well.

Phantom, here's the best example of what I'm going to try. Granted, I've not even gotten a taillight opened up yet. I'll build my board to fit the circular area where we have the globe-looking part inside the housings. Should look something like the lights on this RX-8.

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u274/rx8rasp/_DSC0031.jpg

http://i170.photobucket.com/albums/u274/rx8rasp/brakes.jpg

I'll probably do something like this guy did while I'm in there to give them a CV8-R look. On mine, I'll paint the side reflector as well (the part that's still bright red on the sides in the picture below) to give it a uniform dark look.

http://www.ls1gto.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=27234&stc=1&d=1137268617

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[zx10r_07]

Yep, I still have one. It's a love/hate thing haha

[Skill]

The forum is slow, so I'll post. And, since I don't like to post in this thread without pictures, I took one. BC Racing fronts, Energy suspension poly kit, TTY hardware from Gene Culley. I'm still deciding exactly what to order for the rear, but it'll probably be Koni shocks and King springs.

Also, I had my welder (dad), put magnaflow 6" round bullets and an x-pipe in place of the factory resonator and mufflers. Mellow, but with a nice tone. Maybe I'll get a vid soon.

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[Iroc313]

What the 18s at?

[Skill]

What the 18s at?

You may mean "where," and my response is that I'm going to show you the best looking set of factory 17s on a GTO that you've ever seen. Which is to say, I'm a poor married student whose wife makes all of our muhneez. :bash:

I am thinking about running some C6 wheels in a squared 18" setup, but you'll never see the GTO 18s on my car.

[Phantom_LS2]

No maggie, no care.


























LOL

[Skill]

No maggie, no care.


But how would I get it to the ground?






Better yet, how would I get it past the wife? :rotflmao:

[A-Dub]

Whats wrong with BC rears? I ran BC all the way around on my 2010 and they were great units for the price

[Skill]

I think I can do better in terms of warranty and quality of parts for the same price. That, and I like the idea of a progressive spring back there. I only plan to adjust height twice a year to go up for winter, so I can just swap in a spring pad when I need to.

[demonspeed]

I may have said this before, but kudos for not jumping on the Pedder's bandwagon. Not that I think their stuff stinks, I just got sooooo tired of the :leghump:

I'm a poor married student whose wife makes all of our muhneez. :bash:

:lol: I'm in the same boat -- it could be WAY worse :D

[Skill]

I may have said this before, but kudos for not jumping on the Pedder's bandwagon. Not that I think their stuff stinks, I just got sooooo tired of the :leghump:

For sure. Some time spent researching gets you higher performance parts for less money.



:lol: I'm in the same boat -- it could be WAY worse :D



She let me buy the car, so I try not to complain too much. I think she did it so she can pull this out. :whip:

[Z Fury]

I wish those seats would have made it into more cars. Those GTO seats are the most comfortable seats I've ever sat in. I still don't agree with the spoiler removal, but that's just a personal opinion. Car looks good. :thumb:

[Skill]

One slightly tweaked photo and a video of the modified catback. Pic and vid from my GF1. Vid shot with 90mm to avoid overwhelming the mic, so it's got good sound quality but needs turned way up. Revved to about 4500


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[Iroc313]

You may mean "where," and my response is that I'm going to show you the best looking set of factory 17s on a GTO that you've ever seen. Which is to say, I'm a poor married student whose wife makes all of our muhneez. :bash:

I am thinking about running some C6 wheels in a squared 18" setup, but you'll never see the GTO 18s on my car.

Challenge accepted, many attempts have been made, but it's pretty hard to make that wheel look fantastic.

And that's a nice exhaust tone! I've never heard magnaflow bullet's on a non-longtubed setup.

[Skill]

Challenge accepted, many attempts have been made, but it's pretty hard to make that wheel look fantastic.

And that's a nice exhaust tone! I've never heard magnaflow bullet's on a non-longtubed setup.

I mean, if you absolutely hate them, you will anyways. I just plan to go further with them than I've seen anybody do before. I've got a full suspension replacement going on this spring, and I also plan to refinish the wheels in gunmetal when the weather is nice again. If I can't find a new set of wheels I like in my budget, I'll eventually get put in new studs and have adapters machined to really push them out towards the fenders.

[Phantom_LS2]

JMHO, but I always thought that the only way the stock 17's would look "good" is if they were an inch bigger. It always seemed to me that the 17's had all the style and the 18's only had the size. I always thought that design wise, the 17's should have been the 18's, and the 18's should of been the 17's....if that makes any sense at all. LOL

But if you're going to repaint the stockers, going gunmetal is a no brainer. It's going to looks good, especially next to the IBM of your car.

[A-Dub]

By the time you powdercoat/paint your 17s and buy quality spacers, you are near the cost of a decent set of wheels. I guess if your tires are still good, there is some savings there, but Forgestar makes a nice wheel and a set of 18s is a whole lot cheaper than you would think. Tony is a dealer....

[Skill]

By the time you powdercoat/paint your 17s and buy quality spacers, you are near the cost of a decent set of wheels. I guess if your tires are still good, there is some savings there, but Forgestar makes a nice wheel and a set of 18s is a whole lot cheaper than you would think. Tony is a dealer....

Paint = $80 in supplies

ARP studs and adapters = $350

Forgestars = $1400ish

I'll get wheels eventually, but I'll maximize these first. I like 'em. The only other option I'm considering is OEM comp gray C6s in 18x8.5 with 255s all around. That would require me to buy two sets of wheels, sell the rears, and I'd still need the studs and adapters. But, rotatable 255 Pilot Super Sports would be the epitome of summer DD setups.

[Skill]

Here's another shot from the same spot.

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7173/6673322731_f706ac84fe_b.jpg

[tones2SS]

Nice shots. That black and white shot is pretty awesome. Great lighting, midtones/highlights. You should try making a photo with your car in color and leaving the background B&W.

[Pro Stock John]

I love how your car looks without the rear spoiler, makes me want one.

[Iroc313]

I mean, if you absolutely hate them, you will anyways. I just plan to go further with them than I've seen anybody do before. I've got a full suspension replacement going on this spring, and I also plan to refinish the wheels in gunmetal when the weather is nice again. If I can't find a new set of wheels I like in my budget, I'll eventually get put in new studs and have adapters machined to really push them out towards the fenders.

Dropping it with a nice paint job will make a huge difference.

Not trying to put your work down or anything, I think what I was trying to say was that I've never seen someone paint 17's correctly. It's nice to see someone doing it right. :)

[Skill]

Here she is after a little suspension work. So far it's BC Racing coilovers with poly strut mounts and caster adjustable radius rod bushings up front, and koni shocks with King 46HD rear springs. I'm loving it, and the adjustability is fantastic. I'm waiting on it to settle, and then the front may come down just a smidge.

Aligned it myself in the garage. Rear camber is about -1.6 each side and .05 degree toe in. Front is set on a mild positive caster increase with the bushings, -.6 camber, and a tenth of a degree toed in. I'll have to see how tires wear when I get new ones and adjust from there.

Working on a couple more shots from tonight, but here's the first. Yes, my exhaust tips are painted low gloss black. I like them.

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[Nine Ball]

Great photos! I like the black tips. That guitarist is checkin' out yer ride.

[Skill]

Great photos! I like the black tips. That guitarist is checkin' out yer ride.

Thanks Tony.

I was pleasantly surprised how well the tips went with the car. They're the factory tips, but were pretty scratched up, so I tried black before spending money to replace them. Now I want to keep 'em.

[Skill]

Here's one more for tonight. I'm really wishing I had pulled the car out away from the wall further. It needs more separation.

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[Nine Ball]

Another suggestion: Never shoot vehicles with the windows down. Glass is part of the body lines. This was a pet peeve with the editors of the magazines I'd shoot for.

[Skill]

Another suggestion: Never shoot vehicles with the windows down. Glass is part of the body lines. This was a pet peeve with the editors of the magazines I'd shoot for.

I usually don't. This was mid cruise with my wife in the car.

[demonspeed]

Gorgeous.

[Pro Stock John]

Very cool, love the !spoiler mod.

[Iroc313]

Badass! Those pictures came out great! Seriously makes me want an MBM.

Is it a necessity to use the cradle alignment tool when aligning these? I've heard mixed reviews.

[Skill]

Badass! Those pictures came out great! Seriously makes me want an MBM.

Is it a necessity to use the cradle alignment tool when aligning these? I've heard mixed reviews.

Easy answer is, it depends.

If you don't run an aggressive wheel/tire fitment that requires perfect side-to-side symmetry, and you have no real problems that would point you to a cradle alignment, then it's fine.

If you run a wider wheel and one side rubs more than other, then check it out. It can all be done with a bit of math and a tape measure anyways. You don't really need the jigs if you look at how everything works under the car.

For my situation, I'm going to align the rear myself, without the jig, when I do the subframe bushes and inner/outer rear control arm bushings. I don't plan to touch the front unless I drop the cradle for a sway bar in the future.

The trans can also be centered by loosening the bolts and prying a bit, although I've not done it. I imagine it should only be done following centering of the front and rear cradles to ensure that you're not introducing bind somewhere.

Now, ask a Pedders rep, and they'll claim your GTO will fart fairy dust out the tailpipe after this procedure, but I've never seen it fix anything other than tire rub out back.

Oh, thanks for the kind words on the photos and car.

[Iroc313]

I seriously can't stand pedders for that reason.

One of the sales pitches I've heard from a pedders rep was "You're going to die if you don't replace those RR bushings, I'm surprised you haven't already wrecked it."

I've been more of a lovells fan ever since... lol.

[demonspeed]

Yuck, please do not talk of any Pedder's leg-humping here. This is a Pedder's-free forum :lol:

[Skill]

Yuck, please do not talk of any Pedder's leg-humping here. This is a Pedder's-free forum :lol:

Hey, he started it!

[Iroc313]

I did nothing of the sort, pedders is weaksauce. lol.