Almost embarrassed to post this... but I need help

[bandit-00]

Ok, first time out to the track, 2000 Trans Am, M6 , only mod is the lid, stock 245's. This is my third run and i was getting better with each one. I plan on drag radials and I have a Fast 78 and TB ready to install. What can you make of these times and where should I go from here.

reaction- .3685
60- 2.36
1/8 ET- 9.53
MPH- 77.15
1/4 ET- 14.45
MPH- 97.98

BTW, a friend of mine in a 00 TA with auto, lid and LT's ran a best of 13.2. This is at Pittsburg raceway park, elevation is about 1100'.

[WILWAXU]

Looks like you need ALLOT of practice with launching that 6spd.

[AlexTheGreat]

It's mostly in your 60'. If you can get it down in the 2.0x, you'll be good to go. It just takes practice man, no need to be embarrassed, we all were there at some point. Your low trap speed tells me that you're probably not rowing gears all that fast either, but again, it's all practice. The more you do it, the better you'll get, no easy way to it.

Just practice slipping the clutch slightly off the line. You want to be on the brink of spinning the tires the whole time. A little wheelspin isn't bad either. Just find the happy medium between bogging it down and blowing the tires off of it.

[hardtopz28]

The mph is bout 5-7 mph off. I had a lid and cut out on stock 16s and my best run was a 13.4 at 108 with a 2.2 60ft. Either you are down on power or your shifting is not very great. Practice makes perfect and have fun

[JUICED96Z]

Keep trying, stickies and 6 speeds and 10 bolts don't last long unless you are not launching hard.......

Work on getting your 60's down and then work on your shifting. I am a power shift guy but can shift as fast as about anyone not power shifting.

If you are shifting like you are out on a nice Saturday cruise then thats part of the problem.

After a while you will learn just how little clutch pedal you really need to loose and how little you gas pedal you need to lift on.

If you ar epushing the clutch down to the floor or even close you are using to much.

Let the clutch out untill the car moves....... A few hairs closer to the floor is all the clutch you need.

Your main problem is PAST the 60 foot mark. I think its your shifting.

[Pro Stock John]

13.3@106mph would be a decent attainable goal. Don't go nuts worrying about 60 ft yet, just hold the rpms at 1200 and roll out and get into the gas fast, and you should go at least 2.1 on street tires. Get that shifting better. Don't be a hero on the 2-3 until you are comfortable. Don't shift too low otherwise your traps speeds will be low.

[Andrew @ PlanetLSX]

Those times look like my first time at the track with my 98Z 6-speed as well. I ran 14.3's with it.

First major mods I bought were a clutch, a driveshaft, and a 12-bolt. If you're going to be drag racing the car, those are the 3 most important things you can get - above a cam, above headers, etc. Once you make the car more break-resistant, you can bolt some sticky tires on there and let the thing fly and pull some good 60' times, and everything else falls in to place.

[goatdevil]

Reaction time maybe!!! that comes with practice i am sure w/ the M6.

[demonspeed]

Reaction time maybe!!! that comes with practice i am sure w/ the M6.

That has nothing to do with it.

Your 60's, while not the best, are certainly not the main cause of your problem. Even with a 2.3, you should be trapping around 103-105. You're just shifting too slow or maybe the clutch is slipping.

[goatdevil]

That has nothing to do with it.

Your 60's, while not the best, are certainly not the main cause of your problem. Even with a 2.3, you should be trapping around 103-105. You're just shifting too slow or maybe the clutch is slipping.

I do think that every thing has a part in the whole picture. I do not have a math degree yet, and i dont disagree with the trap speed issue. BUT
Better RT + Traction= Better 60, Better 60 with Better shifts down the track= Better ET

[dochall22]

Reaction time is not calculated into your 60ft, or your over all ET - it's part of the 'package' time - you can set there for 2 seconds and not move at all, and then launch, and your 60 ft will be the same as it would if you nad a .0001.

[Chris81]

Reaction time doesn't matter, the clocks don't start until your car moves.. so Traction = better 60'.

[demonspeed]

I do think that every thing has a part in the whole picture. I do not have a math degree yet, and i dont disagree with the trap speed issue. BUT
Better RT + Traction= Better 60, Better 60 with Better shifts down the track= Better ET

What they said. R/T means nothing unless you are bracket racing.

[bandit-00]

My best trap speed was actually 103 but that was my slowest ET 14.8. I realize I need to shift harder and keep those 16" g-forces from spining off the line. I just worry about that 10 bolt back there. The track is a 2 hour drive from my house.

I noticed when I was behind, i had better MPH and when I was winning I had slower MPH. I think I try harder when I'm behind. I'm gonna keep practicing.

[dochall22]

Just keep practicing and when you break that 10-bolt get a 9er!!!

[Pinky93]

These guys are telling you true, no reason to be embarassed! Asking questions and practice, practice, practice.....experience is your best friend.
You are stock, roll that girl off the line slipping the clutch a bit, to prevent blowing the tires off of it. Concentrate on this first.....once you have the launch down, work on your shifts. You can practice this on the street, or even in your driveway with the car shut off!

Remember, these guys are sharing thier experience with you.....now go out and just get that experience for yourself. One of these days, you will be sharing it with someone else who needs it..... :)

[BlackScreaminMachine]

Comparing a Auto car to a Manual car, at the track is apples and oranges.

Look at this link, you will see what it takes to get a m6 to hook and it will take some $$$.

Slipping the clutch is for idiots who like replacing clutches. I replace tires.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/eastern-members/988971-my-car-manned-f-ck-up-today-new-pb.html

[goatdevil]

Got cha!!! so traction and not bogging down off the line.

[JUICED96Z]

Comparing a Auto car to a Manual car, at the track is apples and oranges.

Look at this link, you will see what it takes to get a m6 to hook and it will take some $$$.

Slipping the clutch is for idiots who like replacing clutches. I replace tires.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/eastern-members/988971-my-car-manned-f-ck-up-today-new-pb.html


He is on street tires....... not much you can do but slip the clutch unless you are on stickies........:thumbsdown:

He gets stickies and revs is up and dumps the clutch and he trashes the 10 bolt....

Blowing off the tires does nothing for you but hurt you.



Find out what works best for you bandit. You will figure out what RPM your car likes to leave at and how it likes to leave and how it likes to be shifted. Get some stickies when you can and don't rev it super high untill you get a rear.

The problem with 6 speeds and drag racing is it takes a lot more to go fast and be reliable compared to an auto and it breaks a lot more parts not to mention its less consistant. Then when you get it working right and have a lot of power you start going threw clutches haha.


Every car is different, you just have to look at peoples advice and try them and see what works.




Remember........ You want as much traction as possible with no bogging...... once you find that sweet spot you are golden. Blowing off tires is newb stuff....

[bandit-00]

Thanks for all the advice guys, In know DR's will be a great help so I may either get some 255's to put on my stock 16" wheels or get some Summit Stars and put a set of 275's on them. I know the 10 bolt is the weak link and I could afford to upgrade but definately have other places to spend the money. Other than the DR's I just need to practice. Some launches felt better than others but its so hard on street tires.

Brady

[demonspeed]

Practice makes perfect.

I haven't raced at PRP, so I don't know how nice of a track it is. You say you are 2 hours away, so where are you from?

[bandit-00]

I am from Clarksburg, WV directly south of Pittsburgh on I79. I actually bought my car from Tazewell, Va back in '06.

PRP is a nice track and the only 1/4 mile within reason that I know of. There were over 200 cars there on opening day so I only got 3 runs in. Hopefully as the season goes on the TNTs will be less busy.

[demonspeed]

You don't have a lot of choice there in WV for tracks.

Either way, just keep it up!

[BlackScreaminMachine]

He is on street tires....... not much you can do but slip the clutch unless you are on stickies........:thumbsdown:

He gets stickies and revs is up and dumps the clutch and he trashes the 10 bolt....

Blowing off the tires does nothing for you but hurt you.



Find out what works best for you bandit. You will figure out what RPM your car likes to leave at and how it likes to leave and how it likes to be shifted. Get some stickies when you can and don't rev it super high untill you get a rear.

The problem with 6 speeds and drag racing is it takes a lot more to go fast and be reliable compared to an auto and it breaks a lot more parts not to mention its less consistant. Then when you get it working right and have a lot of power you start going threw clutches haha.


Every car is different, you just have to look at peoples advice and try them and see what works.




Remember........ You want as much traction as possible with no bogging...... once you find that sweet spot you are golden. Blowing off tires is newb stuff....

The inherent issue is the car will at best do a 2.0 60 foot and prob fry the clutch doing it. I have taken a auto car with 245/50-16 Falkens to low 12's on a 383 LTX with a Hotcam on DR, and a 2000 stall, no suspension on a 3700 race weight. This was all before Lloyd Elliot hit the scene. But that was a auto that doesnt shock the tire much.

This guy is way off the pace and he is seeing why Autos kick ass at the track.

Either the clutch will fry or the rear will blow if he keeps racing it. I say have fun, get used to the car and dont worry about the times. Get used to shifting so not to blow the trans on missed shifts.

My car is the example of what it takes and I am at the point where I need shocks and a swaybar to keep her straight.

[bandit-00]

Yeah, my friend with the auto gets faster and faster with every pass, seams like I am more all over the place. But this is just for fun and it's not like I have a full on race car. With a little practice and some good tires I would like to get respectable times. Poeple expect alot out of an LS1.

[AznMuscle]

What is the elevation there? My best time is a 14.1 at 102, with 5700' DA. I also had a 2.3 60', where as the stock tire guys were getting 2.5s. Track prep is horrible in the desert. My mods were lid and cutout at the time. But like everyone is saying, just practice, and you will get it down. Depending on the track and elevation, you might not get those nice, high trap speeds like others are.

EDIT: Just read the fucking post lol. 1100 elevation. Was it really hot/humid? That will effect DA.

[AlexTheGreat]

The inherent issue is the car will at best do a 2.0 60 foot and prob fry the clutch doing it. I have taken a auto car with 245/50-16 Falkens to low 12's on a 383 LTX with a Hotcam on DR, and a 2000 stall, no suspension on a 3700 race weight. This was all before Lloyd Elliot hit the scene. But that was a auto that doesnt shock the tire much.

This guy is way off the pace and he is seeing why Autos kick ass at the track.

Either the clutch will fry or the rear will blow if he keeps racing it. I say have fun, get used to the car and dont worry about the times. Get used to shifting so not to blow the trans on missed shifts.

My car is the example of what it takes and I am at the point where I need shocks and a swaybar to keep her straight.

It doesn't take frying a clutch to go 2.0s on street tires. You just have to get the clutch out as quickly as possible with minimal wheelspin. I've done it many times.

[bandit-00]

What is the elevation there? My best time is a 14.1 at 102, with 5700' DA. I also had a 2.3 60', where as the stock tire guys were getting 2.5s. Track prep is horrible in the desert. My mods were lid and cutout at the time. But like everyone is saying, just practice, and you will get it down. Depending on the track and elevation, you might not get those nice, high trap speeds like others are.

EDIT: Just read the fucking post lol. 1100 elevation. Was it really hot/humid? That will effect DA.

You know, the funny thing is I didn't see but a couple of cars with street tires on them. I'd say 95% were running DR's. All of the GTO's and all but one of the F bodies, and he is an auto.

It was hot but not terribly humid. Do most tracks post the altitude, humidity and such on the time slips? How else can you get that info at the track?

[JUICED96Z]

The inherent issue is the car will at best do a 2.0 60 foot and prob fry the clutch doing it. I have taken a auto car with 245/50-16 Falkens to low 12's on a 383 LTX with a Hotcam on DR, and a 2000 stall, no suspension on a 3700 race weight. This was all before Lloyd Elliot hit the scene. But that was a auto that doesnt shock the tire much.

This guy is way off the pace and he is seeing why Autos kick ass at the track.

Either the clutch will fry or the rear will blow if he keeps racing it. I say have fun, get used to the car and dont worry about the times. Get used to shifting so not to blow the trans on missed shifts.

My car is the example of what it takes and I am at the point where I need shocks and a swaybar to keep her straight.

In your last post you said comparing autos to manuals is like comparing apples to oranges but you are pretty much doing so haha.

You can hit the tires hard with an auto....... if you have a trans brake..... its even harder then dumping the clutch if you ask me because its instant and droping the clutch depends on how fast you are and your not as fast as a solenoid haha.

You can lanuch a manual on street tires fairly hard with no to little wheel spin and not smoking the clutch....... I have done it plenty of times and so have others.

99% of all 6 speed drag racers swap in auto's for a reason.

If you ask me...... leave the manuals for the road races/auto X.

Past the high 10 sec mark from what I have seen you stop breaking stuff but start going threw clutches and expensive ones at that. I know a guy with an F1R 408 6 speed car and he has been threw....... "a few" aftermarket clutches....

[Mark98SS]

I used to abuse the crap out of the clutch when my car was an M6 to get 1.6x 60fts. IMO, a stock clutch will wear out prematurely if you drive it hard off the line & on the edge of wheelspin.

[AlexTheGreat]

I used to abuse the crap out of the clutch when my car was an M6 to get 1.6x 60fts. IMO, a stock clutch will wear out prematurely if you drive it hard off the line & on the edge of wheelspin.

Any clutch will wear faster if you drive it hard...

[JUICED96Z]

Any clutch will wear faster if you drive it hard...

It will wear faster if your doing anything more then driving it like an old lady...

[The Manalishi]

Clutches are a trade off. A stock clutch hates track time and a high performance clutch hates street duty. I have tried a lot of different ones and I have not found one that actually likes both. I'm going to try a Monster or a twin disk next. All the ones I've used so far have been single disks. There is one company I've used three different times and I will never try again. There are people that love them and have had zero issues but there are about the same amount that went through what I did. Research is critical in clutch choice. I've researched and tried many and I have my favorites but you may not have the same results as I did. There are simply too many variables to tell you the best one for you.

[AlexTheGreat]

It will wear faster if your doing anything more then driving it like an old lady...

No way...:poke:

Any clutch, stock or aftermarket, will wear faster if you drive aggressively with it.

[unit213]

What rpm are you shifting at? It sounds like you're short shifting since your mph is way down.

[bandit-00]

I know I was shifting lower than I should, about 5800-5900, I think I should be shifting closer to redline.

[JUICED96Z]

No way...:poke:

Any clutch, stock or aftermarket, will wear faster if you drive aggressively with it.

Thats my point.........

[BlackScreaminMachine]

What I am saying is DO NOT expect the best out of that car. With a M6, and we all assume everytime a post like this is made that the driver is Evan Smith and 99.95% are not.

I have done rather well with my car but I know for a fact with a 4L80e swap with a 4400 yank converter and lets throw in a trans brake, it would be 11.70's all day compared to its best to date on the m6 of 12.33.

I am assuming this guy has little to no track seat time and for most racers, they may hit the track 1-4 times a year, if it all. With a m6, you need to practice. But ultimately practicing on a street radial is not going to get you anywhere but to buying new parts. I have seen it, lived, it and learned from it.

[S8ER01Z]

Here is what worked best for me...

Best 60ft... 2.09 (2.1x is the worst though)

I sit at 2200rpm and slip the clutch.. once rolling I fully engage and go WOT. (don't be afriad of it hurting your clutch too bad..I am on the factory clutch at 103K now. :) )

The Fiancee was able to get a 1.99 60ft using this same method but she was far more agressive on the clutch. That is with stock clock and factory RSAs.

The rest is just hitting the shift points.. I keep hitting the limiter because I dont shift in time but running up to the redline when possible my traps are 107~108.

Bone stock car...paper filter in place, full tank of gas. :)

Best Pass Stock: 13.19 @ 108.59mph on a 2.1 60ft.

Not the greatest thing in the world but not too bad either. Best of luck!!!!

[S8ER01Z]

Comparing a Auto car to a Manual car, at the track is apples and oranges.

Look at this link, you will see what it takes to get a m6 to hook and it will take some $$$.

Slipping the clutch is for idiots who like replacing clutches. I replace tires.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/eastern-members/988971-my-car-manned-f-ck-up-today-new-pb.html

Uh... I slip the clutch on every launch at the strip...currently have 102K on the factory clutch. ;)

[HYBRED]

Change your fuel filter. You may laugh, but my college roommate had a mid-to-low-14 sec TA and I beat him every time in my geared/DR GT - until he changed the fuel filter and dropped to the high 13's.

[JUICED96Z]

Change your fuel filter. You may laugh, but my college roommate had a mid-to-low-14 sec TA and I beat him every time in my geared/DR GT - until he changed the fuel filter and dropped to the high 13's.

A tune up front to back makes all the difference in the world.

[SaCrup]

That first pic of the second gen ... the color is hugger orange. It was a beautiful car.

The club that held the show has a lot of first gen owners in it. They are all very nice cars. Well kept too.

[AlexTheGreat]

That first pic of the second gen ... the color is hugger orange. It was a beautiful car.

The club that held the show has a lot of first gen owners in it. They are all very nice cars. Well kept too.


What in the fuck are you talking about?